Jaicilgin: literally hasn’t done shit
Based on this evidence, I’d counter that he has ONLY done shit.
That’s his biological job
Blessed with glorious purpose.
Lol if anything if you wanna go there just doing your biological job sounds extremely uncreative, it’s something I’d expect an animal to do, not a person. We are blessed by god or otherwise with the gift of reason, why must we not use it?
You should have kids if you want them and think you can provide a decent upbringing to them.
I don’t like this logic. It implies that a person’s value depends on their achievements. The only difference between the two is what the most important achievements are. Ultimately, this reinforces the right-wing logic that there are people of different values.
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Synthesis: All man is created equal, except those who give money to the richest man in the world for a louder voice on a nazi forum.
I thought that was Threads.
Agreed. Don’t try logic. Tell them to “shut the fuck up, you turd”
I would say starting an argument from a point of view which the other is guaranteed to agree with is a great tool to convince people.
In this case it’s pretty obvious that people who say shit like “women only exist to bare children” will also look up to people with great achievements to their name. As such these two beliefs can be played against eachother.
If it won’t convince the original bum saying the stupid, it will be a very spectacular way to disarm their logic in front of other people with similar but not so extreme opinions.
Sure, but it still reinforces the neoliberal view of humanity and ideology by affirming them. And what about all the millions of women who have not made any great scientific or other achievements and never will that did not have children by the age of 24? Have they then indeed failed in life?
I’m one of those women and: Yes. What’s he gonna do about it? I’m out here being a happy little failure, living rent free in the minds of alpha bros everyehere.
The root implication of manversusbaby’s reply is that child birth is not the only thing women can achieve. The purpose of using great examples like Marie Curie is to bury jaicilgin in the ground, not to impose greatness on everyone else.
The “less great” achievements, such as living with endometriosis, being funny, knowing a lot about birds, being able to knit a sweater, while being a woman are not forgotten, they’re just not as punchy.
In capitalism you must breed or make profit, nothing else is worthwhile.
but there are people of different values.
for example, people who think others are not worth much are themselves worthless.
But all people aren’t of equal worth. There isn’t an official arbitrator but we get to decide for ourselves, and there isn’t a much better way to evaluate them than their actions.
The “all men created equal” in the… US consitution or declaration or whatever is complete nonsense.
Edit: I do think everyone should be born with equal rights and should be given opportunities to be healthy and happy. I didn’t think the “created” part through, and meant that people aren’t “destined” to be equal, their actions separate them. Sorry about that last part.
Declaring people to have a certain value relative to each other strikes me as uncomfortably close to treating people as things.
I don’t understand why only things can have different values. People have different impact on the environment, the world, etc. and what you value determines their worth on that scale. If everything is equally important to you, good or evil, then i guess everything and everyone can have the same value? I don’t really understand this paradigm.
I want to point out a stronger contention in your favor: Republicans in the US are murdering their own citizens right now. I don’t think they are demonstrating much worth at the moment.
That is a capitalist, neoliberal attitude at best. It is particularly popular in the USA, where children are taught to evaluate reality in quantitative terms. It is extremely important for US capitalism to promote this view of humanity, because it legitimizes the major social hierarchies in this society. It also legitimizes why children are allowed to go hungry, the poor are denied medical care, and other countries are exploited. After all, they are not worth it, otherwise they would not be in this situation. In the worst case, it is therefore the basis for right-wing ideology in the USA.
But ultimately, it is a normative decision that everyone makes for themselves. I cannot convince you with arguments. If you believe that people are fundamentally worth different amounts, then probably no argument can convince you otherwise. I can only say that I am glad not to have anyone like you in my circle.
I am not sure where anything i said means quantitative evaluation. I despise capitalism, but people’s actions do have impact and i am free to evaluate them on such. For example, my measurement could be the altruism and positive impact of their actions. You have jumped to some very negative conclusions and i am glad i don’t have you in my circle.
Edit: in addition, i never said anything about “fundamentally” being worth different amounts. I very specifically said actions are a good way to determine their value. There is nothing fundamental or intrinsic about that.
Edit 2: Wait, I see it now, sorry. It’s the all men created equal part. I do think everyone should be born with equal rights and should be given opportunities to be healthy and happy. I’ll make an amendment to the original comment. I didn’t think the “created” part through, and meant that people aren’t “destined” to be equal, their actions separate them.
No-one has any biological job. Live how you want.
Even if we had it, imagine how small your life is if you actually believe we are born to do a biological job.
I was put here to add carbon to the air and convert food into shit!
My job is to increase the entropy of the universe faster.
Imagine if we flipped the tables. If it’s all on women to have and raise kids and nothing more, wouldn’t that mean a man’s job is to get laid/donate sperm, impregnate someone once, and that’s it? If that’s all there is and he’s fulfilled his role, there’s no need to stay alive after that. Like a male bee, exploding after mating. Why bother with society, hobbies, learning and growing? OP’s “job” as a man is nothing more than to literally fuck off and die, mission complete.
Obviously I don’t believe that, just taking his argument to its logical conclusion. I’ve heard people say that women are just for making babies so many times in my life, but I’ve never heard men’s role put in the same terms.
It sounds ridiculous because it is ridiculous. We’re all so much more than our biological equipment. I know I’m preaching to the choir here, I just had to rant for a moment.
Unfortunately they’ll probably just say they are meant to be the masters of a harem and kill any potential rival males. Literally troglodyte shit
Then they should be starting a fight to the death with every man they encounter.
Best to make sure you’re armed and they are not when you reveal this to them.
I like that reasoning. If I had any toxic male friends saying shit like this I might use it, thanks!
I disagree.
I have a biological imperative to turn garbage food into poop.
I mean, it’s a job, you can quit any time you want.
it’s not a good idea to quit…
Unless of course you’re a biologist
McClintock did her Nobel-winning work in her 40s, and it went unappreciated for 30 years because nobody believed her. An inspiring story for sure, but not one of an elderly woman discovering new biology.
All of those examples are just secondary achievements. The true purpose of us humans is to live and make life.
Everything else is just a bonus
The true purpose of us humans is to live and make life.
What dictates “true purpose” here? What need does making more life fulfill?
Your argument is either based on religious indoctrination, or a poor understanding of biology and evolution.
My argument is based on whatever chatgpt spits out
I guess I’ll mark that down as religious indoctrination.
Blessed be the machine god
Even if you distilled the purpose of living things down to their most basic mathmatical objective, you would still be wrong. At it’s very core the so called raison d’être of living things is to assist in the long term survival of their species. Even for something like a virus which doesn’t even really meat all the basic criteria to be called “living”, overwhelming and killing the host before the virus has a chance to spread is in every way a failure.
Even better is that this argument, the “most fundamental purpose”, when applied to humanity actually means that the “aberrations” that fundamentalists hate most are actually an integral part of the system. LGBTQ+ and the neurodiverse (ADHD, autism, ect) all benefit the growth of the species. Having members that contribute to the strength of the species, who can fight, gather, and assist with the offspring of others without creating their own competitive offspring is a massive advantage when resources are limited. The fact that those same noncompetitive (offspring wise) members can breed if something disastrous happens to the rest of the breeding stock is such a brilliant design that it makes a lot more sense to use that as an argument for “intelligent design” rather than the other shit that is usually dragged out. As for the neurodivergent, having members that think differently and are driven to try things that would be considered outside of normal range is really the only option for growth once the “normal” resources reach capacity.
So, if your argument at this point is that humanity should have all transitioned to be LGBTQ+ and neurodivergent, then maybe you aren’t doing it completely wrong, but I am still not sure that is really the answer either.
Why use raison d’être when you could say reason of being or something in English?
Imagine thinking that all the secondary stuff does nothing to improve or encourage life. But I guess expecting imagination or thinking from some people is too much to ask.
Sure; if you’re too simple minded to do anything except follow the animalistic urge to fuck and shit out another unwilling life into this already overpopulated world. Logically, there is no reason to have kids right now. Those who believe it’s the only thing that matters in life are basically biological puppets, unable or unwilling to recognize they are being driven by base level instincts and too selfish to care about the consequences. Just one step removed from monkeys fucking in trees and throwing poop at each other.
Logic is for vulcans. We are humans
The types of people who believe a woman’s only “biological job” is to shit out kids are the same fuckers who haven’t achieved shit in their lives.
Tired of these see what the moron said reposts. All they do is promoting the moron.
Don’t feed the trolls aka don’t take the engagement bait.
Listen, power to women, and Vera Rubin’s work was amazing and she deserves every praise.
But nobody has ever proven the existence of Dark Matter. What’s proven is that our current mathematical models do not accurately represent the universe due to the way things move and effects of gravity, under our current understanding, requiring a large amount of mass that we have not observed.
Does that make sense? It could be that our models or understandings are just wrong, or it could be that there is some magical unobservable matter, but we don’t know. We haven’t proven anything.
The reason I think this is important is because we keep throwing money at bigger and bigger dark matter detection chambers, and we keep operating on the possibly incorrect assumption of dark matter while we create new theories.
The reason I think this is important is because we keep throwing money at bigger and bigger dark matter detection chambers, and we keep operating on the possibly incorrect assumption of dark matter while we create new theories.
Okay, Sabine, whatever you say. I’m sure bubble chambers and TPCs (I assume since you’re targeting “chambers” that other experiments like DEAP are fine) for direct detection are a catastrophic money sink that you’re totally not exaggerating even a little.
Edit: Wait, are you specifically targeting the funding for the search for WIMPs? Since you’re just joining us from your 15-year coma, I’m afraid to inform you that problems have gotten much worse for science than bubble chamber and TPC costs.
What’s proven is that our current mathematical models do not accurately represent the universe due to the way things move and effects of gravity
This is actually the bit that Vera Rubin discovered. The summary of her discovery in the quote is the issue :)
That’s… What finitebanjo said?
Nope.
Yes, it was.
Originally, banjos post read like the line about Vera Rubin was outright incorrect, rather than simply being a case of the OP in the image making a poor summary of her contributions.
It sounded like Banjo was challenging Vera’s relevance in the list, rather than clarifying what she actually did
I would not make praising her the opening statement of my comment if I were challenging her contributions.
Broadly, what you said was “Power to her, but what’s proven is that our current mathematical models do not accurately represent the universe”. The “but” in that statement is that issue, as it sounds like you’re challenging her findings with a correction, but your correction was just to summarise her actual findings
Her achievment is proving the current mathematical models do not represent the universe and explaining why, where many men before her utterly failed.
Her achievment is not proving the existence of dark matter.
The “but” is very warranted and I honestly feel like the “dark matter is real” zealots are the ones besmirching her name by misrepresenting her accomplishments.
What I’m getting at is that your “but” made it sound like you were challenging her findings, rather than images incorrect summary of her findings.
A theory from a famous SF book I just read (not gonna say the title, not to spoil): dark matter is the matter that has collapsed into a smaller spatial dimension (2 or 1)
How would you go about proving the existence of regular matter?
I think therefor I am, I guess.
How do you know you’re made of matter?
Matter describes what exists.
So, dark matter is matter?
Dark matter has never been proven to exist.
The only matter you’ve proven to exist is your own consciousness, so that’s not saying much.
Since you’ve defined matter to be everything that exists, you must believe that whatever is the explanation for dark matter is matter, since it exists.
I had my son at 28, not by 24. Speedrun: FAILED.
Oh, and wrote my first novel at 50. Also FAILED, apparently.
A novelist?? What a disappointment! /s
(But seriously, congrats, that’s no easy feat!)
My ancestors are ashamed.
(And thanks. :) )
People grow, contribute, and succeed on their own timelines. There’s no single deadline for a meaningful life.
Well no… There is a deadline, it’s called death.
Basically anytime before that is preferable really.
Just throwing it out there, that scientific discoveries can be done by married mothers as well
Also, if you’re not married with kid at 24 as a dude, you failed.
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume ‘Jaicilgin’ failed.
Man, I hope he failed.
I hope he never stopped failing
Marie Curie was, in fact, a married mother when she did the work that earned her two Nobel Prizes in separate fields.
That list does not affect him because he doesn’t consider those things to be achievements.
Should’ve just told him his dick is small and he’s a virgin. He would’ve cried himself to sleep over that
Guarantee you he still thinks they are failures. His dick goes limp the moment he sees a woman with a job.
Natural selection. I hope he enjoys his self made “male loneliness” epidemic
A good place to drop a reminder to people that MILLIONS of blue-check twitter users are completely fake, they make American-looking profiles and names and then retweet and post tons of propaganda and rage-bait for engagement, because the couple dollars they make on a successful post is enough to make a living in India, where a majority of these people live.
No hate on India, every country has it’s share of people who are just trying to get by. But for the USA this is really bad because it means we are letting our entire society be influenced by people who have no stake in our future. Elon set this up on purpose because he’s a spiteful, mentally-deficient incel who hates humanity broadly because his tiny dick is broken.
The best thing you can do is tell people to get off Twitter, no matter who they are. Tell conservatives too if you know any, the fact that most users are foreigners in disguise is a good enough real fact that should discourage them from using the site too.
More info on Elon having a broken dick please
I know first hand that it is broken. Well … Half a hand I guess
“Dopey tit” is hilarious
