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No, but seriously, babe, the whole Imperial system gets a bad wrap…
You guys are too ignorant to see how full of shit OP is.
50F is not 50% hot, it’s cold. If your house was 50F you’d be saying “something is wrong with my HVAC”. You’d never heat to only 50, and you’d never cool that far. It’s cellar temperature (colder than a wine cellar, warmer than a root cellar).
70F is 50% hot. It’s a temp you’d cool to in the summer, and a temp you’d heat to in the winter.
100F isn’t 100% hot either, most people enjoy a hottub to be a little hotter.
Tldr: OP is wrong
When I’m running tho, 50 degrees is a medium amount of hot.
32 percent hot is water freezing tho? Idk… 1/3 hot seems like not the right amount for water freezing.
50°F is when I might start wearing pants instead if shorts. I will still be wearing a t-shirt, and won’t bring a jacket until at least 40°F.
70°F is the hottest it can be outside before I become uncomfortably warm.
When I get in a hot tub that is at 100°F, I will turn it down to at least 95°F and know that I won’t be able to stay much longer.
This is the other problem with Fahrenheit, there is no universal “100% hot”. While Celsius doesn’t have the granularity and is subject to “just ask water how it feels” criticism, at least “what temperature is water” is a consistent way to explain it as opposed to saying “at 100°, you’ll be hot”
You clown, hot has been defined as 100°F since 1724. Therefore 50°F = 50% hot.
Every day I learn that people are even dumber than I previously thought.
My eye is twitching just reading this. I wonder how I survived 110 percent hot days.
I suppose the takeaway is once the weather is 100 or higher, I don’t care it’s just too damn hot.
After being in 115 degree heat, 100 degree heat still feels just terrible.
Similarly below zero, subjectively I didn’t need specifics anymore. I know that salting ice outside is probably not going to work anymore. Yes it does make a difference, but comfort wise I just hate it either way.
So I can see, mostly joking but a grain of truth that you have “stupidly cold” then 0 to 100 scale of usual air temperature then “too damn hot”.
It’s like the only way the farenheight scale is kind of appealing from a “humans like 0 to 100 scale”, but it’s mathematically painful and nonsense apart from comfortable human temperatures.
I’m one of those people who knows we should standardize, bit also finds Fahrenheit just very convenient.
Like, when people say it’s 50 out, I immediately know that it’s going to feel about halfway between what I know 0 and 100 feel like. No one can even put up the pretext of doing that with Celsius, because not even the most pedantic person ever bothers to tell you when it’s 100 c out.
In seriousness though, the Fahrenheit scale isn’t non-sense, it’s just addressing things we don’t much need help with anymore. The zero point was chosen as a temperature you can create reliably without particularly sophisticated tools, and the range is so freezing and boiling are 180 degrees apart, putting them on the opposite sides of a dial.
Celsius is the perfect system to describe how hot or cold it is, assuming you’re a water molecule.
People are mostly water, no? Makes perfect sense then.
Ugly bags of mostly water, yes.
Found the microbrain.
Most people die from heat way before water starts to boil though. And we also don’t freeze solid at 0°C, although it is pretty cold, I’d say that end fits slightly better.
Unlike water, humans tend to feel temperature differently.
So it is unreliable to use as a base for anything that requires precision and especially science.
And it would be pretty dumb to have a completely different system just for every day life.
Got 'em.
Americans using the word propaganda for “something I don’t understand because my school system failed me so now I overcompensate by making up factoids that make me look even more uneducated by the rest of the world”
Americans using the word propaganda for “something I don’t understand because my school system failed me so now I overcompensate by making up factoids that make me look even more uneducated by the rest of the world”
Whoosh.
I’m geniunly curious why you are getting down voted. The “propaganda” word choice is clearly part of the joke.
I mean, I wish we used C instead of F, but this take is still a whoosh.
I’m curious, why? I think metric makes sense in most regards but I like the granularity of F. The difference between 70F and 75F is pretty noticeable, but in C, it’s like what? 1 degree?
Because my partner uses C. The constant jump scares from temps is annoying 😀
Separate from that, I use temps for what to wear, so exactness is less important to me. In truth AQI and humidity are much more important metrics to me.
Plus:
- Equipment temps are always in C
- Using C is a gateway to metric use
- Devices built for C are just… better. Example: Any washing machine for C has the temperatures listed on the settings vs the ever so useful “warm” or “colors”
- Kettle boils when it hits 3 digits. More fun.
So, lots of ancillary reasons I guess, vs any one direct reason.
I’m 98.6° Greg. Am I hot?
Oh baby, you certainly are
Scared to reach your full potential, eh?
How is freezing cold, 32% hot? What am I missing here?
Hot take: the best temperature scale would have 0º be water freeze point and 100º be human body temp. Fahrenheit is already supposed to be that but nobody gives a shit about a saline solution freeze point and they fucked up the human body temp.
I propose the body temperature of an average opossum as the fixed point for 100 because they are cute as heck. We shall call this unit Possigrade. And anything above 100 Possigrade should be called the ‘rabies zone’ and 0 Possigrade should correspond to 8°C, as this feels very cold when dressed inappropriately. In addition, there is now the Bakers Possigrade, where 100 corresponds to 27°C, as this is the temperature at which sourdough bread rises by about ⅓ in 5.5 hours.
But seriously: Celsius is fine. On Earth, we are primarily interested in water at atmospheric pressure. Too many things contain water (pipes, food, paint, etc) and they react differently at 0 °C than at 4 °C. For this reason, we deliberately avoid using water in applications that are regularly exposed to sub-zero temperatures. Water is simply everywhere, so 0 °C and 100 °C are important tipping points for general use.
Celsius is great for engineering because Things Happen™️ when water starts boiling or freezing. But most people aren’t engineering daily. Cooking temps generally dont require much precision and there are too many niche break points to easily factor: safe meat temps, refrigeration temps, oil smoke points, Maillard reaction, etc… Our chefs are basically screwed no matter what.
That leaves measuring weather as the most universal daily application. Celsius is not great because the temp outside your door is going to be between mid -20º and mid 40º. It’s nice to have water freezing at 0º (snow, frost, ice) but thats the only interesting break point. You could just as easily set 100º to be the temperature of the sun and have the same daily experience.
Humans are endothermic, which means being somewhere hotter than us is Not Good™️. That would be very nice to set as a breaking point for weather purposes, but unfortunately the danger varies wildly with humidity/airflow/personal tempature regulation/hydration/etc… If we set the triple digit break to indicate an unsafe body temp then we at least can approximate the danger and get a little bonus medical utility.
Mean body temp varies slightly based on several factors:
So set 100º to be one standard deviation over and its perfect for daily use. Checkmate Celciusts
Celsius is great for engineering because Things Happen™️ when water starts boiling or freezing. But most people aren’t engineering daily.
I’d argue that it’s more covenient to use a common scale for all applications of the same measurement than to have multiple different scales, just because that would eliminate all conversion concerns. Someone I know is in engineering school has switched entirely to using °C simply because that’s what they deal with at school anyway, to the point they don’t even write °C anymore in casual chats.
For other applications, it seems like the scales we’re used to are more or less arbitrary anyway, so that’s really just a matter of getting used to it. Some are used to calling ~70°F room temperature, others say ~20°C,
So if it matters for one case, but not so much for others, and we were to pick a single scale, I should think it would be ideal to go with the case where it does matter.
Or we just keep doing this thing where people use what they’re used to and we just quickly look it up or someone comments with the conversion and move on with our lives.
I’ll agree to a single universal scale but only on the condition that -100º=0ºK
Humans are endothermic, which means being somewhere hotter than us is Not Good™️.
Endothermic refers to the ability of the organism to regulate it’s temperature, not just the ability to generate heat, but also to cool itself down. We humans are so good at it, that we can literally just jog prey down in hot environments and pretty much all animals will overheat before we do.
Hell, in my apartment there’s a room especially for making it very hot and humid. Even above 100c, and I still don’t boil. Weird, huh?
cooking temps generally don’t require much prevision
Alright. Sure. Yeah. Why not. /s
Hell, in my apartment there’s a room especially for making it very hot and humid. Even above 100c, and I still don’t boil. Weird, huh?
And I bet that room has its own thermostat, fuel, and doesn’t reach that temperature without human input. How often is the average human stepping into a sauna that it needs to be considered on a common use scale? The hottest recorded temperature on earth is 56°C, why would our daily scale need to be pegged 78% higher than that?
Endothermic refers to the ability of the organism to regulate it’s temperature, not just the ability to generate heat
Exactly! So we have 8.3 billion self-adjusting thermostats set to [nearly] the same target no matter their environment. Unlike the freezing temp, water’s boiling point can vary wildly on Earth. If I forget to check the altitude I could mistakenly think my boiling teapot is at 100°C instead of 68°C.
Home cooking usually depends way more on your ingredients and the quirks of your appliances than your target temp. Maybe your kitchen is a little more humid today and this batch of cookies is more chewy than yesterday. That’s why many recipes give hints on target texture or look (crispy, soft, golden brown…). But yes if you want a very specific outcome you’ll care much more about temp accuracy.
And I bet that room has its own thermostat, fuel, and doesn’t reach that temperature without human input.
I don’t manage to see your point. If the point is “you can’t live in places which are hotter the average body temp”, then should I point you towards Australasia? Also, in my last apartment, I didn’t have a sauna, but I did have a kitchen that was constantly above 40 and topped out my 52c meter in my kitchen.
considered on a common use scale?
Only an American things measuring things in average horse blood temperature vs when water boils at sealevel is a “common use scale”.
A “common” use scale for you less metrically abled; “fucking freezing”, “freezing”, “cold”, “cool”, “okay”, “a bit warm” “too hot” “fucking scorching”.
The hottest recorded temperature on earth is 56°C
You mean the hottest ambient temperature measured not from direct sunlight. Yeah, maybe. Still a bit more than our body temp, no?
water’s boiling point can vary wildly on Earth.
Yeah, but 100c doesn’t. It’s always the temperature at which pure water boils at sea level.
If I forget to check the altitude I could mistakenly think my boiling teapot is at 100°C instead of 68°C.
Sure yeah, you sound like a guy who might have a problem like that. Luckily for you, kettles don’t actually have thermostats set to 100c. They shut off when the water is boiling, despite the temperature. So people like you have been accounted for, rest assured. Nor will you be needing to make any thermometers either.
quirks of your appliances
So you microwave shit and then think temp doesn’t matter? I don’t really “appliances”. Is a grater an appliance? A manual one? Knives a few pans, ingredients. Thermometer. Perhaps if you’ve actually been doing a dish for 20 years perfectly you can forget about but it but it’s an absolute must for most kitchen professionals; good measuring instruments. A scale and a thermometer, mainly. Don’t really need anything else. Don’t even need that to cook, obviously. But because of the “quirks of your appliance”, you probe your meat, to meet the right temp. Damn I made myself hungry. Well I got some moose in the freezer.
That’s why many recipes give hints on target texture or look (crispy, soft, golden brown…). But yes if you want a very specific
What’s way more important in cooking is actually the measuring than thinking you can just throw it together and wait until it turns whatever the description wants. If you want it good, you’ll measure it to the gram and use the correct temp. Which is a bit above our body temp again, but guess “cooking” isn’t included in “common use scale”?
☝️😬 Metric-stans when you suggest a theoretical tweak to Centigrade that makes it align closer with human-scale temps while preserving the decimal nature.
My main point is that we spend 90% of our lives wandering around in a fairly narrow range of temperatures. Every day we care about how we should dress or what precipitation to expect or what the high/low might be overnight or checking our apartment thermostat…
The general population only spends a fraction of that time caring about the temperature of anything else (look at a recipe->plug in the baking temp->move on). In a universe where we spent all our time measuring astrological bodies I would probably be arguing for the scale to be normalized around 100ºSol.
I boil water probably 2x per day and I have never once cared about the actual temperature of that reaction. If I dunk my hand in water at 85ºC or 99ºC its gonna hurt like fuck either way. A scale based around horse blood would probably be more tangible because I can actually tell when the mammal blood in my meat-sack body is feeling a few degrees cold/warm.
Stapling a scale solely to pure, scientific, idealized, elemental reactions is silly Enlightenment dogma. Unless we plan on using my theoretical scale for millions of years of human evolution, average body temp is nearly as constant.
closer with human-scale temps
So you just never cook anything? Because if you cook, your scale is longer. You have to heat your oven to 350+ degrees, whereas I’m just putting it to 180. So the scale is actually “aligned closer with human-scale temps” whatever your brainfart can be interpreted to mean.
we spend 90% of our lives wandering around in a fairly narrow range of temperatures
You do. You. Just like you think your brainfart is in anyway an improvement instead of just silly rambling without any sense whatsoever.
I have never once cared about the actual temperature of that reaction
Because you don’t live in Peru or the bottom of the sea, so you don’t have to, because you know it’s always pretty much exactly 100 for you.
A person with a stroke could’ve written your comment and it would be none the better.
Not one of your arguments holds any water; Centrigrade is a smaller scale, and a more logical one. Standing naked outside, most people would have a fairly good guess on when it’s near or below 0c. Or as English actually says “freezing.” You couldn’t even tell 0 degrees Fahrenheit. Literally most people in the world have never even experienced such a temperature. I have. I’ve also experienced -40 (where they meet.)
How many days a year do you spend in 0f?
Because in my country being below zero is more common than not. Both C and F, moreso C though, as “it’s closer to a human scale”.
So F is wider, cooking temps are double that of anything in double digits, no-one can even tell where 0f is and 100f is very much not close to the warmest things we handle in our daily lives.
0-100c is quite simple. Over or under, don’t touch with bare skin. (For non cooks stay below 60c though or you’ll burn yourself)
But I don’t need to argue. The works decided long ago.
At what temperature does a normal body boil
At 100%, obviously
Boiling isn’t the way to do it, roasting will bring out the flavor much more nicely.
A combination works best to break down those connective tissues and develop meaty complexity, try braising.
I love your username. Not bad cooking advice too. Add some garlic and tomatoes and you have an excellent dish.
Relevant username?
Depends on what altitude you’re at; get high enough and the depressurisation will boil the water in your blood straight out of every orofice available using only your body’s latent heat.
Yeah gimme that how much
All it takes is either a multi million dollar human scale pressure chamber, or volunteering for some mad billionaires high altitude mach 5 manned vehicle tests
Or, hear me out: a bathtub, some shrinkwrap, a bicycle pump and so e good old fashioned grit and determination.
Unless you could get an acrylic plate wth a seal around the edge to go over the bath, got the bike pump working in reverse and reinforced the bath, you might stuggle even with some proper elbow grease
So you get in the bathtub with the bike pump and have the hose connected to a nozzle going out. You might need something stronger that shrinkwrap depending on what you get, but your bathtub is invariably able to handle 1 atmosphere of pressure.
normal bodies are generally full of normal water i think
Yeah, but it’s mixed with other stuff which impacts the boiling point.
To offset that, make them drunk. Drunk people boil at lower temperatures than sober ones.
I’m scared to Google this to confirm.
-40 to 40 is acceptable human range.
Above or below that and you’re stuck inside.
also 50C is roughly as hot as it gets on earth, and 0 is when things freeze (icy roads, snow, many things change) so even “round human temperature range” is a bullshit argument… 0C is much more useful for human temperature than 0F
I use a binary thermometer. 1 is hot, 0 is cold.
Get your ass outside at 0ºC and I guarantee you it’s 0% hot.
0 F is colder. 0C is 32F
Yeah, it was 7F when I walked the kids to school this morning. 0C would’ve felt like a nice spring afternoon.
32F is sweater weather.
0 hot? So what about when it’s -40?
0% hot = 100% cold
so
-40% hot = 140% cold ❄️
-40% hot, that’s pretty damn cold!
I understand you’re being sassy but below zero you do start saying “no but seriously, how can it be this cold?” Zero is about the lower limit before temperature stops being distinguishable and just becomes cold
The feeling of cold weather is entirely subjective. A Brazilian from Bahia will wear a winter coat and feel cold at 20C, but somebody from northern Canada would be going out for a swim in their shorts.
Which is why any attempt at using “oh it means cold percentage” or “oh below zero it just feels the same” is extremely dumb and a easily refutable attempt at saving a bad scale.
Spoken like somebody who doesn’t experience freezing degrees very often.
These threads always make me laugh. Maybe because of the way/where I was raised I really don’t care at all what anyone uses.
Posting your message wouldn’t be able without standardization, even the language you are typing is a standardization. Anyway i envy your simple world
You, and I, typing this, in a thread about non-standardization certainly blows a hole or two in your simple thinking. It’s weird to think of flexible thinking as simple. I would say I envy your rigid comprehension, but I don’t. It would be awful to be lost when someone says N Celsius instead of N Fahrenheit or vise versa. What a miserable, difficult way to try to make it through life.
Ugh, I’m one of those people who will defend imperial as not being irrational, just built ad-hoc for purposes that aren’t in alignment with modern ones and … No, that’s not what Fahrenheit is.
Fahrenheit was trying to make a temperature scale that was easy to recreate to ease the calibration of thermometers. Zero is a temperature that can be created in your garage with some ice, salt and water. 100 was his best, ultimately inaccurate, attempt to measure human body temperature, since it’s another easy calibration point, and from there water was defined as 32 and 212 so that they were 180 degrees apart, which would fit will on a temperature dial.
Not irrational, not a comfort scale, and not in alignment with current needs.It’s pure coincidence that it kinda lines up with comfortable outdoor temperatures in the opinion of a good chunk of a population living in the northern part of the western hemisphere.
Yeah we know it’s a coincidence. That’s kinda a part of the joke. No need to flex your knowledge here Mr smarty pants
I like how they claimed Fahrenheit made sense by relating it to a scale between 0 and 100 because a grade divided into 100 pieces (centigrade) is a system that is easy to handle. If only there was a unit of measurement that was already like that.
No they’re relating average earth temperature/weather to a centigrade scale, instead of relating liquid water to one.
Average is one number, not a range. Do you mean standard deviation?
“Average earth temperature”? Lmao
It is not average Earth temperature though.
