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TikTok users have been deleting the app at a higher rate since the company announced that its U.S. operations would be housed in a new joint venture.
The short-form video platform’s daily average app uninstalls in the U.S. have increased nearly 150% over the past five days compared with the previous three months, market intelligence firm Sensor Tower told CNBC.
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I find it funny that millions of people had no problem with an evil foreign government like the CCP, that’s well known for collecting data for military purposes and spending mind boggling amounts on propaganda campaigns, controlling the app, but now draw the line at some Silicon Valley billionaire doing essentially the same thing.
I never liked the short content format so I never had an interest downloading TikTok, but I knew that I would never, ever download it when I learned that this Chinese app is actually banned in China. They a have a separate clone of this app that’s exclusive to China that uses a different algorithm that promotes positive and educational content. The fact that billions of people use this shitty weaponized piece of Chinese spyware is depressing, especially when the Fediverse exists.
Well for starters - The United States government is kicking in doors in my local area right now.
The CCP would have to travel many thousand miles to kick in my door.
That’s a false sense of security. The CCP doesn’t need to kick down your door to weaponize your data. It should be common sense to not trust an authoritarian regime.
You can’t worry about your taxes when your house is on fire man.
That’s a false dichotomy. I’m not going to suddenly spread my ass for a shitty authoritarian regime like the CCP because the US government is going through it. If you want to lube up for Chinese spyware and data collection then that’s on you. Personally, I’m not going to let a fallacious false binary like this cloud my judgement, I’ll always strive to own, protect, and control my data from governments, corporations, or whoever.
yes you can, if tomorrow you’ll be thrown in jail for your taxes
You’re missing the point.
China might use your data and hurt you in some far future, whereas the USA will use your data right now in a direct and violent way.
I can explain how the US government having access to the database of all of TikTok’s data might directly result in a visit from ICE. The path to damage caused by China may exist too, but is much more nebulous, and much more difficult for China to execute on.
Yes, if you are in a government position, or in the army, you probably shouldn’t use TikTok under China’s management. But Joe Schmoe from California has little to materially fear from them. But he does have reason to fear the USA government who might well come over and arrest him.
Your horse were not on fire when TikTok got introduced en masse.
So yeah, look for excusses
It’s been on fire a long time buddy.
OK, as an American in the USA, what is the worst China can do to me with my “weaponized data” that is worse or the equivalent of me being tracked down and summarily executed a death squad which is the worst thing that the Trump regime can do with my data (which every US corporation is willing to hand over to them). It’s not that I trust the Chinese government. I just don’t care about them right now because my country is being destroyed by Nazis and find it bizarre that anyone would still be trying to sell us the “beware the Yellow Peril looming in the east!” neoliberal cold war horseshit.
Remember in the 80s when scary Japan was supposedly about to morph into some sort economic singularity and wipe us out with a thousand ultra mega Pearl Harbors all at once? Kind of reminds of the shit we hear about China today.
You know back then it was perfectly fine to be cozy with the PRC even as they propped up the murderous Khmer Rouge regime. But hey they illegally invaded Vietnam and cut ties with the Soviets so we loved them then. When Vietnam liberated Cambodia the official US narrative was that Vietnam was bullying the poor Khmer Rouge and the genocide was just a smear campaign to make our friend China look bad. Vietnam was the big bad yellow peril enemy then.
And now, Vietnam, still just as communist, still authoritarian, is our friend now!
Funny how the propaganda shifts like this depending on who’s befitting from it. Tomorrow it will be someone else. But go on about how this time the “Yellow Peril” threat is real this time.
What a load of bootlicking crap.
It’s very simple, if you’re willing to go to such lengths to defend China using spyware, collecting your data, and using it as they please… then why not go use Chinese social media yourself? If you think China is a non threat and all the concerns people have about it are fugazi, then why not go use their platforms? They’re bigger, have way more content, way more users, and they’re better developed than the Fediverse… again why you here if you don’t value things like privacy, freedom, ownership, and control over your data? It sounds to me like you have inconsistent values.
But didn’t you know they’re occupying our cities! They’re killing innocent civilians and rounding up black and brown and indigenous civilians and forcing them into camps!
No, wait. That’s the us government. My bad.
China is harvesting our data and weaponizing it! You see they’re taking the data and umm… sharpening it into punji sticks or something.
Look what ever they’re doing it’s evil and bad. And way worse than our home grown Palantir genocide machine.
Respectfully, the CCP has been less of a direct threat than the US government as of late and most dont trust the government so why would they trust the propaganda? This isnt to say the CCP isnt a problem but are they as much of a direct threat to American citizens than ICE and such?.. ICE has now murdered more than one citizen in cold blood.
P.S. People need more education as to what the Fediverse is but until then they will always go with whats easier to use and access.
That’s such a nonsensical take. Because you don’t trust the US government, you’re go to thought is to hand over your data to an opaque authoritarian regime like the CCP? What kind of a bullshit false dichotomy is that? Fuck that, my data is my data. It doesn’t belong to any government, corporation, or anybody who isn’t me or someone that I explicitly give consent to use my data. That’s the principled take.
No, I am just explaining to you why people have used it. Humans do human things… being upset at it wont change the why. Citizens are terrified of the current threat. Not one miles away. Humans are wired to react to immediate danger.
I still disagree with that notion. That’s not normal human behavior. You’re making it sound as if people can only process the top immediate threat and disregard the rest. But that’s not humans work. Humans are able to have and process multiple threats at once. If what you’re saying is true then nobody would care about what’s going on in Ukraine, Iran, or Gaza because these conflicts are so far away… yet so many people do even though they face problems in their home countries that are much closer, more imminent, and have greater impact on their daily lives… like inflation or climate change or increased government tyranny.
The point is that it doesn’t make sense from a logical point of view to reject a shitty government for being authoritarian and then disregard another shitty government that’s also authoritarian, if not more so. A rational person does process both as being threats for similar reasons. That’s a consistent and principled take. The one and only reason why one would cozy up to one over the other is because of ignorance, which is precisely what I think is going on here.
Based on recent evidence, maybe the CCP > US Government.
that does not make them good, but fortunately we don’t have to accept either, right?
People on here are unfortunately very ignorant on the doings of the CCP. People here don’t realize that the US hasn’t lapsed China in tyranny, they’re merely catching up. The CCP has mastered authoritarianism to the point where they’re in a league of their own.
Regardless, it doesn’t matter either way because it’s not a competition. If we walk down the path choosing between two evils, we’ll quickly find ourselves racing to the bottom, and we all lose. Luckily, it doesn’t have to be that way, we can simply reject tyranny in its entirety regardless of country, ideology, or regime.
Good. Fuck TikTok.
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If you are uninstalling, you can try the federated alternative: loops
It must be really demanding in terms of hardware and network to host video content like tiktok. I wonder if the fediverse voluntaries will be able to keep up with it if the userbase grows too much
Cool to see how much loops has grown even just in the last year. It gets more and more viable as an alternative all the time. Love seeing the fediverse continue to grow
Oof, this still isn’t up on F-Droid or either main app store. That’s a shame, I thought this moment would be a great time for Loops to get some user base, but it seems like it’s still not ready for wider adoption.
That said, it does look a lot better now than it did a few months ago when I last tried it. Here’s hoping it picks up some momentum. I finally tried TikTok last year, and was really impressed by the breadth of videos and how quickly it was able to start showing me things I enjoyed. With the recent change in ownership, I don’t know that I’ll revisit it much if at all. Would take quite a lot to replicate even a little bit of the zeitgeist TikTok had going. But like with Lemmy and Mastodon/Bsky, I’m hoping I can do my little part by choosing where to put my attention. Just don’t know that I’m going to find much there I care to see, for now.
I downloaded it. It’s very barren right now, no more than a few comments per post, if any. Hopefully it gains some traction
Think of it as an exclusive club where your content has a higher chance of being seen by elite users
Kinda like fediverse in general. That’s the price of a non-corpo platform
It was like that here when Reddit
fellcaused people to leave and look for something better. Give it time, and interact!I know it sucks but you’ve just gotta shitpost through it. No comments? Guess you gotta generate some content. We are the algorithm, and we are the bots, here on fedi.
Meanwhile https://joinloops.org/ and https://joinpeertube.org/ keep getting better and better
Hopefully more creators will take notice and at least crosspost their content on better platforms too.
This is now a right wing propaganda machine. I deleted awhile ago.
Several social media posts pointed to language in the new policy that describes the types of data TikTok may collect, including sensitive information such as “your racial or ethnic origin” as well as “sexual life or sexual orientation, status as transgender or nonbinary, citizenship or immigration status, or financial information.”
Despite the social media uproar, that language does not appear to be new. An archived version of the policy from August 2024 includes the same provisions.
Vine used to be so fun and simple.
That was fucking eons ago.
Its replacement has so many issues on many levels.
That’s because Vine was designed to be fun and simple. Users only had 7 seconds to make a memorable video, and so people got really creative with it. You can’t possibly convey anything of value in such a short duration, so people just used the platform for fun.
I feel like I remember the tankies saying something about there being no potential issues with using TikTok. Has there been any reaction in the triad?
The issues with tiktok started in 2020 when Trump threatened to ban it after they organized RSVPing one of his rallies and he performed in a mostly empty stadium.
Tiktok responded by hiring state department ghouls to oversee moderation, then 2020 popped off and they clamped down even harder.
There were never issues with the chinese government. The issue was always with the US government.
the issues with tiktok started when it was first announced. It’s sad that it got “heroified” through the gaza events
Tiktok was THE platform for pro-gaza content and solidarity. Leaks from Congress proves this. It’s a shell of what it once was now that the US oligarchs are in control of it and have turned it into their right wing spyware platform.
Blocked for unironically using the word ‘tankie’.
I mean, you guys have legitimately genocidal folks like yogthos that your admins pat on the head as they bludgeon their way through every conversation with 4chan speak. I do not respect you enough to feel offended by your absence. If you don’t like the word, sort out your tankie users.
- What genocide is that?
- Do you deny the genocide of white South Africans. Because you should. Not every genocide accusation is true, and false ones should in fact be denied.
- Previously.
- Previously.
Armenian and Bosnian.
I genuinely have no clue about the goings on of any African nation, besides Kenya. And mostly just the soccer bits through a coworker. I wish I were informed enough to engage with you on what seems to be an accusation, but if something’s happened in South Africa and it doesn’t involve musk’s weird intrafamilial spouse trading family, I probably don’t know about it.
Your link’s dead
I don’t see yogthos in this, so I don’t- wait, you misunderstood. I said yogthos was a fan of genocide, not either of you admins. No, both you and your fellow dev just seem sleep starved and politically hugboxxy, not genocidey. Which you’re allowed to be, you made the site and it seems to take a lot of your time.
Though I wish you’d define the political hugbox a bit more explicitly in the sidebar. Banning for inobvious rules will always produce animosity from new users. You’re not doing yourselves any favors by hiding it behind euphemisms.
The only person I know who ever denied the Armenian genocide was Cenk Uygur, which he later walked back.
An Bosnian genocide is much more controversial. That the Srebrenica massacre constituted genocide had been refuted by a number of scholars, including Noam Chomsky, Edward Herman, and Michael Parenti.
I get that you want to stand by your most loyal users and political theory, but jfc
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Ok tankie
Ok fascist
Well hold on, I’m neither of these things, but isn’t tankie a communist thing? And if so, why would somebody calling a duck a duck automatically be a fascist? Unless, is anybody that is not a communist a fascist?? I thought fascists were auth right, specifically?
Tankie is a pejorative for communists that gets unilaterally branded onto people by anti-communists. I’m happy to declare people using it unironically to be fascists, and if you don’t agree with that, well, tough luck, you were the one who started throwing around snarl words
Up 150% sounds crazy… but like, what’s the rate of installs vs uninstalls here? How has the rate of installs changed?
Yeah if 4 people uninstalled the program last time, and 6 people uninstalled it this time, that’s a 150% increase from last time.
Nope. Your math is wrong. 6 people uninstalling would be a 50% increase from the 4 since 2 (the extra people uninstalling) is 50% of 4. For a 150% INCREASE you’d need 10 to uninstall (4 for the origional, 4 more for the extra 100%, and 2 on top of that for the extra 50%).
While installs are up by how much?
Doesn’t mention installs for tiktok, but does mention that tiktok usage remained flat, but competing apps have seen an increase in downloads.
"However, the increase in uninstalls has not translated into a meaningful drop in U.S. usage.
TikTok’s active user levels in the U.S. have remained relatively flat compared with the previous week, according to Sensor Tower.
Competing apps, however, have seen a bump in interest. Sensor Tower data shows U.S. downloads for UpScrolled increased more than tenfold compared with the prior week, while Skylight Social rose 919% and Chinese-owned Rednote climbed 53% week over week."
