There’s a lot of porn (mostly hentai) where its portrayed as unwanted at the start but through amazing horsecock they come to enjoy it. There’s also a very big power fantasy element to it.
A good portion of women are also into it as a fantasy… none are into it as a reality though (obviously).
Portraying rape victims enjoying their rape part-way through as a justification for men to fantasize about rape is really problematic. There are bodily responses that can happen during rape, like orgasming, but that doesn’t mean a rape victim wants the rape or enjoys it. This is an entirely separate category of porn than say CNC (consensual non-consent) scenes where the “victim” is in complete control.
Consensual non consent is literally portraying rape as something the victim enjoys and absolutely justifies rape fantasies from both sexes. Yeah I’m fetish shaming and I 'm not sorry. There was a guy who enjoyed hammering nails into his dick and his pleasure didn’t make it mentally healthy. Women who are into rape fantasy encourage rape. Now ban me.
Again, difference is that the “victim” in the scene is in control. There’s quite a few people that have had their past traumas come through as kinks in this way, but it’s not anything like porn that portrays rape as a positive for the victim and what they want. I’m not even sure if I’m explaining the differences very well here tbh, but there are differences between the two.
I respect that you have a difference of opinion on this though. Why would I ban you? *Oh, you’re a man…
Edit: The fantasy of being raped and of being a rapist are distinct in my opinion.
Edit 2: The consensual part in CNC is the most important part.
Oh boy this is gonna be a hornets nest. Kids these days are oblivious to the kink tomato and don’t particularly care - fandom has a lot of purity politicking nowadays.
I’m really uncomfortable with how many upvotes that comment has already and it’s growing. That this topic was brought up on this post is interesting. The main post is specifically talking about men making rape jokes and this person coming in with “porn depicts rape victims as enjoying it!” is a crazy direction to take this topic.
It’s definitely a shoehorn. I dislike that sort of jacking, it takes a meaningful thread discussing something and pushes it off into a completely different direction. And yes, when that happens you need to wonder at the motivation.
It’s not a rape fantasy, it’s about being wanted in a situation where the “victim” is in complete control. And what a weird fucking thing to bring up in this thread, in reply to that comment of all things.
It almost sounds like you’re trying to justify it.
Why some men enjoy rape and why they feel comfortable making rape jokes. Its not that separate of a thing. Power fantasy media and fantasy being removed from reality make people feel comfortable about treating it lightly rather than with the seriousness it deserves.
I don’t watch porn and hentai sounds particularly gross. I don’t care for peoples mastubatory garbage, I’m saying that theres a lot of rape justificatation out there and you seem to be adding to it.
I don’t see how consensual nonconsent is justifying rape at all? Most people are able to separate their fantasies from reality. As long as everyone involved is consenting and enjoying themselves why does it matter what they do?
Its not like people who participate in CNC are also actually committing rape or approve of it in any way.
There’s a lot of porn (mostly hentai) where its portrayed as unwanted at the start but through amazing horsecock they come to enjoy it. There’s also a very big power fantasy element to it.
A good portion of women are also into it as a fantasy… none are into it as a reality though (obviously).
I keep re-reading this comment in disgust.
Portraying rape victims enjoying their rape part-way through as a justification for men to fantasize about rape is really problematic. There are bodily responses that can happen during rape, like orgasming, but that doesn’t mean a rape victim wants the rape or enjoys it. This is an entirely separate category of porn than say CNC (consensual non-consent) scenes where the “victim” is in complete control.
Consensual non consent is literally portraying rape as something the victim enjoys and absolutely justifies rape fantasies from both sexes. Yeah I’m fetish shaming and I 'm not sorry. There was a guy who enjoyed hammering nails into his dick and his pleasure didn’t make it mentally healthy. Women who are into rape fantasy encourage rape. Now ban me.
Again, difference is that the “victim” in the scene is in control. There’s quite a few people that have had their past traumas come through as kinks in this way, but it’s not anything like porn that portrays rape as a positive for the victim and what they want. I’m not even sure if I’m explaining the differences very well here tbh, but there are differences between the two.
I respect that you have a difference of opinion on this though. Why would I ban you? *Oh, you’re a man…
Edit: The fantasy of being raped and of being a rapist are distinct in my opinion.
Edit 2: The consensual part in CNC is the most important part.
Oh boy this is gonna be a hornets nest. Kids these days are oblivious to the kink tomato and don’t particularly care - fandom has a lot of purity politicking nowadays.
I’m really uncomfortable with how many upvotes that comment has already and it’s growing. That this topic was brought up on this post is interesting. The main post is specifically talking about men making rape jokes and this person coming in with “porn depicts rape victims as enjoying it!” is a crazy direction to take this topic.
It’s definitely a shoehorn. I dislike that sort of jacking, it takes a meaningful thread discussing something and pushes it off into a completely different direction. And yes, when that happens you need to wonder at the motivation.
It’s not a rape fantasy, it’s about being wanted in a situation where the “victim” is in complete control. And what a weird fucking thing to bring up in this thread, in reply to that comment of all things.
It almost sounds like you’re trying to justify it.
Are you following the rules of this community?
I’m certainly not justifying it, just trying to explain it. Have to understand the opposing reasons in order to figure out how to best deal with it.
Oh, lol. You were trying to explain it in the most dumbed down, incorrect, armchair wannabe psychologist way?
You didn’t answer my question. Are you in the right community?
You were trying to explain why men make rape jokes?
Or were you trying to explain why some men enjoy rape?
Why some men enjoy rape and why they feel comfortable making rape jokes. Its not that separate of a thing. Power fantasy media and fantasy being removed from reality make people feel comfortable about treating it lightly rather than with the seriousness it deserves.
You think it’s because of hentai depicting rape victims enjoying their rape?
When in history has rape ever been taken seriously? When husbands were allowed to rape their wives?
This is one of the dumbest explanations I’ve ever heard.
They’re porn sick to think that it’s hentai causing men to want to rape.
I don’t watch porn and hentai sounds particularly gross. I don’t care for peoples mastubatory garbage, I’m saying that theres a lot of rape justificatation out there and you seem to be adding to it.
I don’t see how consensual nonconsent is justifying rape at all? Most people are able to separate their fantasies from reality. As long as everyone involved is consenting and enjoying themselves why does it matter what they do?
Its not like people who participate in CNC are also actually committing rape or approve of it in any way.
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