I avoided Gnome for exactly that reason for years but the shell extensions for gnome have improved a lot and it’s pretty flexible now. If you don’t mind depending on the addin authors maintaining your favorites.Dash to panel or dock is virtually a whole different UI.
Ngl, for me both GNOME and GTK+ suck, their governance, design principles, development principles, and both user-facing and dev-facing cultures, are authoritarian and really toxic.
Look at, for example, the Mutter controversy, or the controversy woth GTK4 and the subsequent creation of both MATE and Cinnamon, or the drama with Zrythm (which author I do personally support) and FalkTX, etc.
I honestly find it odd that anyone brings up “no choices” and “lack of customisation” as a point against GNOME at all… Nothing in any desktop environment comes close to the versatility of GNOME extensions.
the extensions might not be core utilities of gnome and break on an update, but they allow for customization that even kde doesn’t provide yet everyone is saying gnome has a “lack of customization”
Yes, KDE included. I don’t think you understand the level of flexibility that being able to monkey-patch the GNOME shell provides. And I say that as someone who loves both KDE and GNOME for different reasons.
Honestly, I personally feel sorry (with every intention to offend) that you and others like you settle for and defend tooth and nail a half-baked solution, glued together with saliva and that breaks every time a core GNOME developer decides on it like monkey-patching over a shitty API. Not to mention the fact that KDE also allows it, and I say this as a KDE user, for the deepest part of its extensibility and scriptability, but without breaking it just because it looked ugly, and also allows other types of extensions, such as compiled dynamic libraries, or Plasmoids and components.
I mean, you can say anything you want. Just doesn’t change reality. GNOME devs do a lot these days to prevent updates from breaking extensions.
KDE also simply doesn’t allow everything GNOME allows. I love KDE and I have past contributions to KDE as well. But pretending they’re on the same level of customizability is delusional. It’s not a helpful or meaningful statement to make, a statement born out of pure ignorance. Plus, you dragged KDE into this, not me. Not everything needs to be a fking desktop war for no fking reason.
I’m not making this a desktop war… Just mentioned it because everybody was saying something FALSE, because what you say about GNOME and KDE it’s not true. I’m not ignorant, I have years in Linux too, and the fact that you make that ad hominem attack says really much about you. I’ll cut it here because I don’t have time nor energy to follow up, just wanna say everyone here that GNOME isn’t that good.
I like how developers are not shying away from possibility of them having foot fetish (foot terminal, gnome logo being a foot)
The foot is actually symbolic for the devs stepping all over you with their opinionated design and no choices
Ah so BDSM then /s
No just BSD
BSDMobile?
IOS
Oh. Plenty, they just don’t fuck with ‘consent’.
I avoided Gnome for exactly that reason for years but the shell extensions for gnome have improved a lot and it’s pretty flexible now. If you don’t mind depending on the addin authors maintaining your favorites.Dash to panel or dock is virtually a whole different UI.
Ngl, for me both GNOME and GTK+ suck, their governance, design principles, development principles, and both user-facing and dev-facing cultures, are authoritarian and really toxic. Look at, for example, the Mutter controversy, or the controversy woth GTK4 and the subsequent creation of both MATE and Cinnamon, or the drama with Zrythm (which author I do personally support) and FalkTX, etc.
I honestly find it odd that anyone brings up “no choices” and “lack of customisation” as a point against GNOME at all… Nothing in any desktop environment comes close to the versatility of GNOME extensions.
finally someone says it.
the extensions might not be core utilities of gnome and break on an update, but they allow for customization that even kde doesn’t provide yet everyone is saying gnome has a “lack of customization”
KDE ehem…
Yes, KDE included. I don’t think you understand the level of flexibility that being able to monkey-patch the GNOME shell provides. And I say that as someone who loves both KDE and GNOME for different reasons.
Honestly, I personally feel sorry (with every intention to offend) that you and others like you settle for and defend tooth and nail a half-baked solution, glued together with saliva and that breaks every time a core GNOME developer decides on it like monkey-patching over a shitty API. Not to mention the fact that KDE also allows it, and I say this as a KDE user, for the deepest part of its extensibility and scriptability, but without breaking it just because it looked ugly, and also allows other types of extensions, such as compiled dynamic libraries, or Plasmoids and components.
I mean, you can say anything you want. Just doesn’t change reality. GNOME devs do a lot these days to prevent updates from breaking extensions.
KDE also simply doesn’t allow everything GNOME allows. I love KDE and I have past contributions to KDE as well. But pretending they’re on the same level of customizability is delusional. It’s not a helpful or meaningful statement to make, a statement born out of pure ignorance. Plus, you dragged KDE into this, not me. Not everything needs to be a fking desktop war for no fking reason.
I’m not making this a desktop war… Just mentioned it because everybody was saying something FALSE, because what you say about GNOME and KDE it’s not true. I’m not ignorant, I have years in Linux too, and the fact that you make that ad hominem attack says really much about you. I’ll cut it here because I don’t have time nor energy to follow up, just wanna say everyone here that GNOME isn’t that good.