No, actually, I do not remember that.
I understand absolutely nothing
In the screenshot there are chuds boasting that one of them managed to become a db0 mod.
Now if that’s true is a different question.
OK so how is this Nazis ??? I am cof use
The screenshotted community is full of nazis. The last post in the screenshot implies that going hard for anti-Zionism actually causes anti-semitism. And antisemites are more open to becoming nazis.
Actual antisemites gloating because a Lemmy instance defederates with zio defenders does not imply that the chuds are behind this.
Even if poasters are actually implying they straight up social engineered their way into the db0 admin crew, i ain’t gonna take their word for it, i totally see 'em pretending for chud clout. Show me some proof.
Holy hell my dudes I take one weekend off of being a nerd
Never do that again!
just step on trump and they accept u
Can something be done about that?
I am going to straight up say, I am going to give people I catch brigading long bans, worst case permabans. So please be aware that if I catch you in a thread discussing this thread for example on hexbear or .ml, you will be in trouble.
are you afraid of people discussing about this sort of shitpost?
You are banning who ever is discussing the content of this thread?
most instances are defederated from the tankie instance, i dont think you have to be worried out that. its only your users in the triad is the problem.
There are actual threads on hexbear where they discuss and brigade threads like these though.
What
What’s the source of this screenshot, how did they get it? I can’t imagine that the people who are active in that community have an interest in spreading the knowledge of their involvement (if they are real and not lying). And why is this only posted as a comment? Surely it deserves its own post if it’s real and the user is really active on sites where nazis go to brag, or at least has connections to them.
From the linked feddit.uk thread: https://annihilation.social/notice/B5kKSTU3vBt4xby6gi (CW: everything bad you can imagine)
The link appears to be dead though. Even with an account (you can register with just username and password, no email) there is nothing, the server returns 404. However, I’ve been doing some digging around the filth on these pages trying to locate the source, and I was able to find all the accounts in the screenshot above and I wouldn’t be surprised if this was actually real and just deleted. Of course, this isn’t absolute proof, but if it is a fake it is an incredibly good one.
Edit: The content these accounts produce on these pages would be very in line with what is visible in the screenshot
Hm. I’m not quite ready to take card-carrying nazis at their word when it comes to accusations or brags …
Thanks for digging up the info though.
The link doesn’t go anywhere, you can’t actually see the post. It is very easy to fake such a thing.
The db0 admin responded to the feddit.uk post pretty quick so it kinda checks out the original post would be deleted
So all these accounts existing means it could have been from a comment chain on another post that someone edited the data for to say this instead?
It only means that the authenticity of the screenshot can’t be immediately disproven by this. The accounts in the screenshot weren’t made just for the screenshot, but this could have been some other conversations that was edited
The accounts in the screenshot weren’t made just for the screenshot, but this could have been some other conversations that was edited
That’s what I said.
Oh sorry, I misunderstood then. Yeah, it’s not concrete proof but an interesting bit of information
I find it extremely suspicious.
OP was just randomly browsing a nazi site (as one does of course) and came across a 1 month old post detailing a super secret plan conveniently talking about the 2 instances who de-federated from feddit.org. The post itself that no one else ever saw and who’s link doesn’t work.
There are people who keep an eye on such sites like let’s say antifascist watchdogs or people who are trying to look out for friends who get bullied by users of sites like poa.st. Hell, I occassionally check Kiwifarms to make sure the page about a friend of mine is still inactive (have a friend who got bullied by KF).
I have been pretty vocal about the uncomfortable rhetorical alliance between the far left and far right on this issue, and others. Whether this particular screenshot is real or not, the fact that leftist spaces on here don’t see why this is a problem is extremely disappointing. Especially since many of us have been critical of Israel for decades while trying to maintain a wall between that criticism and neo nazi subversion, only to have it torn down by people who seem newly minted in the issue.
And now it’s just stuck in a feedback loop of shit, where dug in egos seem more important than the issue itself. Honestly, whether right wingers have actually infiltrated db0 or not is almost besides the point. They seem to be sprinting towards some weird enlightened extremism one way or another.
I feel like I’ve been taking crazy pills after the Gaza situation. Suddenly there was a huge uptick in people in so-called “Leftist” spaces hating on Jewish people and being against it would easily lead to severe harassment, death threats and even doxxing.
I don’t know if OP is real but I do know that db0 doesn’t give me a lot of reasons to doubt it. I thought the idea of an anarchist instance was cool and I had an account there until the defederation debacle revealed they aren’t really Anarchist. Yet somehow in their eyes I’m the bad guy for not being comfortable with calls to violence. It’s just baffling. Not gonna lie, I want to think the OP is more widespread because I really don’t want to believe that so many Leftists would be so comfortable with anti-semitism.
Because fucking really?
Yeah the assertion that “death to Israel” isn’t a call to violence was pretty absurd on its face, but then to say that anyone who interprets it that way is a “Zionist” was straight up fucking Orwellian.
'marg bar ___ ’ is pretty standard rhetoric in farsi, it’s translated as ‘death to ___’ but doesn’t actually mean ‘kill everyone in ____’. for example people will say ‘marg bar trafik’ and not mean that they literally want to kill every other driver on the road, they just want the traffic to end.
this does tend to get misrepresented out of either ignorance or bad faith i’ve noticed.
anyway marg bar amrika, marg bar israel
Is “death to” Farsi?
Well people from other cultures or who have a different first language than English will interpret it as including the populace, no matter how much you try to convince yourself of semantics. Especially with Germans you have to specify that you mean the government and the IDF and not the populace, otherwise they are going to interpret words as some revanchist nightmare.
This has been a misrepresentation that’s been happening by propagandists and politicians since the 1979 revolution. it’s been propagated like that specifically to demonize iran in that way.
personally I appreciate the shock value of it, in a reclamation sort of way. I want to see an end to american imperial hegemony and the genocidal ethnostate it’s enabling.
an ‘end’ to the occupation doesn’t mean that everyone in it dies, it means it stops being apartheid and there’s restorative justice for the decades of genocide
I mostly agree with the second and third paragraphs. However to prevent misunderstandings, it is important to maintain that criticisms against Israel are voiced precisely to avoid jumping to conclusions.
Yeah, I mean it’s not surprising that an English speaker would mistake a farsi colloquialism. Like if I went around saying Khoda la’nat-esh kone in Iran it’s kind of understandable that people might not appreciate it.
the mistranslation of a relatively common protest chant/hyperbolic idiom does get amplified by media/propagandists and politicians who absolutely know better though. that misrepresentation has been a propaganda point since 1979!
does it make sense to you that someone can say death to america/israel without literally wanting to kill every american/israeli though? as an american i say death to america all the time. i want to see an end to american imperial dominance and the genocidal ethnostate it enables. is that so orwellian?
We’re not talking about propagandists saying “Iranians bad”, we’re talking about people writing the literal English translations themselves and expecting everyone else to guess what they mean.
I’m very familiar (and you as well) with how dramatic Iranian idioms can sound when translated literally, but how are we to know, in an English speaking space, that they are supposedly Farsi speakers?
The most likely/simple explanation is that most of these people mean what they write, rather than some rather niche lost-in-translation meaning. And then, when called out on that, they just give the same answer as you do. “It’s just a figure of speech bro”.
To be honest here: No, it does not make any sense. If I write “I want to murder you, slit your throat and kill all your children” I wrote that I want to murder you and your children. That is threatening to you and might scare you. It is also punishable by law in many jurisdictions. It’s also how languages work.
This is even worse in the context of the middle east: There is a lot of history of people murdering jews together with their children because they are jews. The current Gaza war started with terrorists killing Israelis because they were Israelis. And the Iranian government is totally sponsoring groups that are launching rockets at Israel. So if someone in that context is posting “Death to Israel” we totally will believe him that he wants to kill everybody there. There are so many people out there who really want to exterminate all jews that, well, people will think that you are one of them if you shout “Death to Israel”
does it make sense to you that someone can say death to america/israel without literally wanting to kill every american/israeli though?
In germany we take words literally, so what do you think? You can’t go else where, behave against their culture and think everything will be fine. ‘Death to…’ is harsh language and will be moderated.
Gaza situation.
you mean the ongoing US-backed extermination campaign?
hating on Jewish people
people conflating the entity conducting an ongoing genocide with jewish people writ large are the ones who are being antisemitic.
Spreading nazi propaganda, are we?
I don’t get it. What am I looking at?
That’s a screenshot from a far right social media site. They show a screenshot of this post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728 where db0 voted to defederate from feddit.org because this instance mods remove calls to violence against jews and anyone who doesn’t talk about israel with enough vitriol. They call this post part of the White Lion operation which is a coordinated infiltration and “entryism” campaign organized by far-right actors on the Fediverse (primarily from the instance poa.st). It’s neo-nazis discussing the success of pushing anti-Jew rhetoric on Lemmy by covertly taking over db0 (with a “crew”) and they plan on working on quokk.au as well, and “lw”, which is probably lemmy.world.
You should put that explanation directly into the post. Makes it easier to see for people who don’t read through (all) comments.
Done
That explains so much. So many interactions I’ve had with obvious trolls, just completely bad-faith and impossible to reason with, full of strawman, sea lioning, and red herrings, and arguing in circles while ignoring all of my rebuttals.
I suppose I shouldn’t feed the trolls but I can’t just sit by and watch this coordinated astroturfing campaign and do nothing about it…
Oof. Thanks for the explanation.
I have a feeling they’re working on feddit.uk as well.
The last few comments are talking about hating Jews, not isralies.
What’s the connection to db0 and what op?
AFAICT there is no connection to @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com other than a fascist account on a pseudonymous fascist website claiming to be db0, which have no reason to believe so far.
Correction: there is a screenshot that mysteriously cannot be proven because the link doesn’t go anywhere.
Not very mysterious that they’d delete public proof. I’m not saying I believe or don’t believe it.
db0 recently launched a thread asking all anarchist instances to defederate from lemmy.world if any of them gets defede’d.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67858553
I’m still trying to understand the entire drama
So from what I understand:
.world admin got into it with an admin from a smaller anarchy server. The other admin had “kill all Zionists” in his name.
The kill all Zionists admin called the .world admin a Zionist. This was taken as a death threat.
The .world admin defederated from the anarchy server.
After some confusion, a thread was made a few days later outlining the reason of the defed and also threatening to defed db0.
The defed, how it was handled and the threat against db0 has largely been seen as heavy handed. Basically defederation because of personal grievances.
The “kill all Zionists” admin stepped down, the anarchy server was refederated.
The .world admin updated the thread but specifically said they were “discussing” how to deal with db0 and what was to be done.
This was seen as a threat, and bullying from .world, so db0 is organizing a boycott in case it happens.
There’s also larger older drama: accusations of certain .world comms being run by Zionists and .world adminss doing nothing about it, accusation of feddit.org sheltering Zionist accounts and now db0 being a Nazi op. Most of it is flimsy at the best of time, mostly just vague screenshots like above that don’t really prove much. A lot of tribalism going around tbh.
I also find it sus that OP uses an alt for this.
I also find it sus that OP uses an alt for this.
I disagree. When dealing with organized Neonazis and those aggressive db0 users, using an alt is best practice. There is no reason to bring organized harassment and bot-based downvoting to your main account.
For the record its not just that one guy calling the .world admin a zionist. Its anyone with eyes. They are notorious for it and don’t hide it in the least.
I’ve been trying to understand this one for a while, and every time I’ve asked for elaboration on the .world admins being zionists I’ve been brushed off. I’ve seen them defend a couple shitty moderators and that’s not great, but I haven’t seen anything close to actual zionism.
So sincerely, and not trying to start anything here: what behavior/actions/etc. makes them obvious zionists?
The linguistic trick here is that “Zionism” is an overloaded term, which can mean anything from “I don’t think Israel should be burned to the ground” to “I think Israel should be allowed to genocide Arabs” and the Neo Nazis learned a long time ago how to play both sides of that coin, hiding behind one while meaning or the other as convenient. That’s why it has been such a Hallmark of far right rhetoric, and why it’s alarming that so many “leftists” have seemingly picked up that flag, seemingly (hopefully) unaware of that history. Technically anyone who supports a two state solution is a Zionist, as that would imply support for Israeli sovereignty in some form.
The OP is plausible precisely because the recent usage on the left is so similar, and plainly obvious to anyone who has been around the block on this, and why you struggle to get responses to your inquiry, because examples would reduce the ambiguity to practice and give up the game.
I’m still trying to understand the entire drama
I’m not sure exactly what caused it but the dbzer0 user base have turned quite political extreme a couple of months ago. At first it was just mostly tanky talking points but then they really honed it on the Israel topic, with many users (including at least one admin) making calls to violence and death threats against anyone they perceived as “zionist” in their mind.
They target feddit.org a few month ago, result in the feddit.org admin banning a bunch of users, including one dbzer0 admin. That admin then promptly got butthurt and pushed to de-federate feddit.org under a bunch of made up pretences.
Fast forward to a few days ago, anarchistnexus (dbzer0 piefed, same admin team) users + an admin do the same shit again, this time targeting a lemmy.world admin. This admin promtly de-federate them … which they know loudly cry about.
At least that’s my very simplified take on it.
i was wondering the drama. yea worlds has been pro-zionist on the political instances, thats why i had to block it but they arnt overly aggressive about it, only when you call them out. it seems like these are tanky infiltrators, because alot of them posts a ton of tankie comments. i was saying the political memes was infilitrated by them a couple months ago.
yea worlds has been pro-zionist on the political instances
No, they haven’t. It’s a big instance and they definitely have some asshole users on there, but saying that the instance in general is pro-zionist is fucking stupid.
Not really surprising. You can see people from db0 posting “death to Israel” on daily basis. Then they get mad when mods remove those posts and call them genocide deniers and zionists. It goes against their own instance code of conduct but the db0 admins don’t do anything about it. The anti-zionist rule itself goes against the anarchist code of conduct. They’re not even trying to hide it.
That certainly explains a lot.
a lot of active/visible posters are paid people promoting an agenda. more true on reddit than Lemmy. but still true on lemmy
its likely the people who were banned for the same content on reddit came to lemmy.
Lemmy is probably easier to infiltrate due to the lower user numbers.
it is, but they dont want be able reach much engagement because lemmy has signifiantly smaller amount of users, which are scatter to various instances or platforms. they are better off botting/spamming on reddit.
“Infiltrate” being now there’s ten of us instead of nine.
Vielleicht war die Deföderation doch ein Segen. In jedem Fall ist es schade um den Einfluss, den diese Leute auf die Piracy-Community haben.
Offtopic: Kann mir jemand erklären woher die Diskrepanz zwischen der feddit.org und der feddit.uk Ansicht kommt?
Der Thread zum von OP geposteten Link (https://feddit.uk/comment/24769927) ist nur über feddit.uk selbst einsehbar/aufrufbar, nicht aber über feddit.org. Werden Posts mit negativem Score nicht föderiert?
Mrdown wurde von mir wegen Antisemitismus, Abfälligkeiten, Feindseligkeit, Beschimpfung und Ausländerfeindlichkeit gebannt.
Hast du gut gemacht!
Because the mrdown guy is banned from feddit. Also couldn’t see it at first because I had him blocked.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!
