Air travelers in the U.S. without a REAL ID will be charged a $45 fee beginning in February, the Transportation Security Administration announced Monday.
The updated ID has been required since May, but passengers without it have so far been allowed to clear security with additional screening and a warning. The Department of Homeland Security says 94% of passengers are already compliant and that the new fee is intended to encourage travelers to obtain the ID.
REAL ID is a federally compliant state-issued license or identification card that meets enhanced requirements mandated in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
What makes the real ID real?
I thought the whole point of Real ID was you couldn’t fly without it. Now they just say aw f it pay us 45 bucks? Where’s the ‘security’?
Like someone else said in a different post yesterday: anything beyond checking that I don’t have weapons or some other danger to the flight is completely unnecessary. There is no reason that the TSA needs to verify identity for flights.
It has nothing to do with security, everything to do with Big Brotherhood. They love having a database of everyone’s travels.
Identity is one of those “danger to the flight” things. Like the 9/11 hijackers didn’t bring any weapons on board, they just used force and exploited the compliance of the crew to take control. So if they flag you as a known terrorist, they stop you getting on the plane.
In theory. In practice I don’t think the TSA has stopped a single attempt of terrorism, but I also don’t think we’ve had any attempts since 9/11. Whether that’s due to the existence of the TSA is impossible to say.
They may have just used force to take the planes, but regulations regarding cockpit security were completely revolutionized after 9/11. That same tactic should not work today. Hell, even having a weapon doesn’t really make a hijacking more likely.
The problem was insecure cockpits, not that the authorities didn’t know the identities of the people onboard. There is no actual proven security reason for the TSA collecting this information.
There is no actual proven security reason for the TSA collecting this information.
That doesn’t sound right. If there’s a list of wanted or potentially dangerous terrorists or criminals, and I provide ID showing that I am not one of those people, isn’t that a security reason for showing ID?
Technically its for the surveillance system they set up without telling anybody on top of the surveillance systems already in place that you dont know about on top of the NSA
It feels like they’ve been saying the REAL ID would be required for years, and keep pushing it back. Now they’re like, “We’re so serious you guys. It’s for national security. No bad actor will pay $45.”
The law was passed in 2005 and so many states kept complaining. And frankly, those states are getting punished.
Every state that has their shit together has been Real ID compliant for at least a decade.
Its just like the TSA precheck and now the third party companies like Clear offering to skip/use minimally invasive security screenings for a small fee.
Yeah. When someone told me, “If you agree to pay a fee, for three years they won’t give you a patdown every time you fly because you won’t have to use the scanner that thinks fat people are smugglers, and you won’t have to take your shoes off” my first thought was “fuck yes” and my second thought was “isn’t that the definition of racketeering?”
(Also my very first time using TSA Precheck I was flagged for “random screening” and TSA got one last revenge patdown in. 🙄)
“Brown people don’t have money HEH GOTTEM”
Canadian here, they make you get another ID? A Drivers license isn’t enough?
The us is really stupid for many reasons. 50+ patchwork systems for stuff everyone needs, like ID, is one of them. Using a driver’s license for ID is another.
Sounds stupid but honestly I’m down with it. I worked at a bank checking IDs and I’m sure more than once I wrongly suspended accounts due to fake IDs because the US can’t fucking get it together when it comes to what an ID even is.
real ID doesn’t fix that
The issue was that every state has different requirements for what’s on a driver’s license, photo ID, adult ID… Etc. this also includes Tribal Reservations.
The real ID Concept was to at least provide some organization nation wide.
I don’t have a problem with it because my state was already Real ID compliant since a decade ago. And if you got an ID, you’re good.
It’s an upgraded id/license… with more paper work attached like a passport but without the perks of one…
Also you can have both an id and a driver’s license…
A driver’s license can be used as an id…
Make sense
I was drinking with a security guard who checks photo IDs before entering a club. And he was sharing all the crazy IDs he would get and have to understand. He’s even gotten in trouble a few times for not letting people because he didn’t believe their ID was valid, because the ID was “valid” where they came from.
THIS. Fun fact: Arizona IDs don’t have (or didn’t use to have) expiration dates or just say something stupid like “EXPIRES 01/01/2075”. I can’t blame anyone who isn’t from Arizona for looking at an exp date 50 years in the future and believing it’s fake.
Article also says a passport is fine.
Because a passport is registered with the state department and is by nature more “real” than a real ID
Thank you, I was about to say…
Beginning Feb. 1, travelers 18 and older flying domestically without a REAL ID and who don’t have another accepted form of ID on them, such as a passport, will pay the non-refundable fee to verify their identity through TSA’s alternative “Confirm.ID” system.
Current list of acceptable IDs:
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REAL ID-compliant driver’s licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent)
- If you are not sure if your ID complies with REAL ID, check with your state department of motor vehicles.
- A temporary driver’s license is not an acceptable form of identification.
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State-issued Enhanced Driver’s License (EDL) or Enhanced ID (EID)
// “State-issued Enhanced Driver’s Licenses and identification cards (EDL/EID) are designated as acceptable border-crossing documents by DHS under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and are an acceptable alternative to a REAL ID”//
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DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
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U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
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Permanent resident card
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Border crossing card
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An acceptable photo ID issued by a federally recognized Tribal Nation/Indian Tribe, including Enhanced Tribal Cards (ETCs)
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HSPD-12 PIV card
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Foreign government-issued passport
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Canadian provincial driver’s license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card
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Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC)
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U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
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U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential
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Veteran Health Identification Card (VHIC)
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No passport, no real id. Good thing I don’t go anywhere.
Ok. Still not going to get it.
