Edit context: Hasan is calling out right-wingers for getting upset about leftists carrying guns.
Go far enough left and you get your guns back.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
― Karl Marx
Im so goddamn hot for this shit
The Second Amendment is meant for SHOOTING SCHOOLS and TODDLERS SHOOTING PARENTS NOT Protecting your Neighborhoods!
Somebody needs to hack the NRA website and make this their motto, lol
I watched the whole thing he said and was immediately ready to join the Philly Black Panthers. Don’t worry about the fact that I’m a MidWest white lady.
You can join the white panthers. The white panthers back up the black panthers
Or maybe it’s time for a new Rainbow Coalition to rise from the ashes.
I’m sure this time the FBI won’t sabotage it. Surely.
It’s overdue
Is this true or is this the white power equivalent because some people got mad?
The White Panther Party is legitimate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Panther_Party
I can understand the concern at least, it’s a white supremacist thing to co-opt things.
Idk about today, but the original panthers did have a solidarity org for white folks, called The White Panthers.
If you’ve ever heard the band, The MC5, they were in the White Panthers
The Rainbow Coalition also included an org called The Young Patriots, which was a communist group that organized white southerners and Appalachians who had migrated north to big cities
Why are people that used to belong to these orgs not being interviewed regularly? I feel like it would be useful to learn from them.
Because the companies that pay people to interview people are owned by fascists.
Most leftists don’t think all guns are always bad so I’m not sure what value they’re supposedly turning on here. Pretty sure the prevailing complaint on the left is about how easy it is to acquire a firearm, not that people have them.
I support people’s right to own weapons but it should be a lot harder to purchase and there should be MUCH greater punishments if the weapon you own is used in a shooting (I’m thinking parents of school shooters who poorly secured their guns)
i dont think that comment is in reference to leftists turning on an antigun stance but right wing media turning on their hardline 2nd amendment stance to vilify them for it
I think the person you replied to is confused because the headline seems mostly factual, and the “they” in Piker’s post kind of has an ambiguous antecedent because of it.
Ohhh, I guess I interpreted the quoted tweet as positive
It helps to have the context of the views of the speak. Hasanabi is a left guy (I had to double check this).
I knew Hasan was left but not that the quoted tweet was a conservative reporter complaining about it
I read that as Hasan questioning the MAGAt if there was any value rightoids won’t forfeit since they are stereotypically very 2A and now this guy’s positing as if owning guns to guard against a tyrannical government is bad.
If he was trying to criticize leftists or liberals, why’d he choose a right wing source of the news to react to?
To be fair, I don’t really watch Hasan, so it’s possible my interpretation is completely wrong as clarified in one of his streams.
How could you make it harder? Imagine if it was hard for all the new gun owners in Minnesota? I’m guessing you just want to make the rules?
You’re not a hypocrite for following the current law and also wanting to change the same law.
One opinion is about what an individual’s best choice is, given the situation.
The other is about what laws would be best for a society to have.
What’s best for an individual is not always the same as what’s best for a group or society.
Reminds me back in the day was browsing a socialist gun subredditt at my brother’s house and my brother was shocked. He said “socialist have guns!”
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
― Karl Marx
I have it on good authority that there are far, far more liberals and leftists armed in the USA than anyone can imagine.
The difference is when you’re not an ammosexual you don’t have to constantly scream and whine and cry about your guns. You just have them and know how to use them and not think about them 24/7.
Every SHARP I know is armed to the teeth.
SHARP?
Thr media literacy in this thread is sad
A friend just messaged me that Mississippi jumped from 50th to 8th in reading comprehension, not because they suddenly did better, but because everyone else did so much worse.
This thread confirms that.
Why do people think that’s a leftist?
Sounds like every single american who sees masked guys in their neighborhood and hasn’t turned on the news in a couple years.
Liberals don’t like guns and Republicans like Ice, so who does that leave?
Lots of left leaning people have guns we just don’t make them our entire personality
I have four myself. I hate to carry one though. I’m too aware of the responsibility involved. I’d rather be beaten up than kill someone.
It leaves the regular americans who are not into political tags. You know, most of us.
History books are gonna stick people and movements into categories whether they actively espouse the labels themselves or not, but tbf not reading history books because “we’re not like those other countries” is about as American as it gets, so rock on
“Oh my god! You hypocrite! You are not supposed to fight back! You have morals remember?!?”
“You want to live in a world without the need for guns, yet you use them when necessary. Curious! I am very intelligent.”
It’s not even turning in the value. If you talk to most leftist they acknowledge fire arms shouldn’t be banned out right. There should just me more control so every raving lunatic who wants one can’t.
This is about the way the right wingers are reacting to leftists taking up arms in the face of tyranny. Not the leftists themselves.
you love to see it
I’m not American so can someone clarify 2nd amendment in this context for me? Can someone actually shoot an ICE agent and evoke 2nd amendment as a defense? How does it work? What about the state’s monopoly on violence?
The second amendment is meant to protect the public’s ability, not “right,” to overthrow a tyrannical government by protecting their legal right to maintain the tools to do so. That’s because once such a rebellion actually starts, “legal rights” become irrelevant since the validity of the state itself is being challenged.
So no, you can’t use the 2nd Amendment as a defense in the incumbent government’s courts. You can only use it to win, replacing the government and not having to face a trial at all.
(Also, to be clear, the 2nd is definitely about rebelling against tyranny, not hunting or self-defense against crime or whatever else the liberals try to twist it as – remember, it was written by folks who had literally just finished doing the same.)
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Probably some of the most talked about commas in history. But the idea that most people accept today is that the 2nd amendment allows you to have guns. That’s about it. It doesn’t give you the right to shoot anyone.
The second amendment of the U.S. constitution guarantees the rights of citizens to bear arms. Many liberals support stricter gun laws so that there are stronger background checks, limits, etc in order to try and reduce mass shootings, etc. The right wing folks are generally the opposite, trying to remove limits and make them accessible.
So no, you cannot evoke the second amendment as a defense for shooting anyone. It would only be a potential legal defense against laws limiting gun ownership. The second amendment says you can own a gun, not that you can shoot people with them.
As for the state’s monopoly on violence, that pretty much stands except in clear cut cases of self defense. So if someone were to shoot an ICE agent (and survive the situation to make it to trial), it would have to be some pretty extraordinary circumstances that would allow the person to avoid conviction of a crime.
Well here we are lol liberals now packing guns to defend themselves from a previous democrat lol yall so dumb lol
Why do they need to defend themselves?
They don’t lol they are literally letting the ex democrat push them to the center on gun control lol he has more sway in the dem party then any democrat lol
