• coalie@piefed.zipOP
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      “You better… huff… stop… puff… running away… from… wheeze… me!”

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    Wait, they mean the Gravy Seals? The Fattack Squad? The PlaqueToon? The Blood-clot-hounds? The Infantiletry? The Dive Bummers? The Shillitary? The Krispy Kreme Kops? The Out-of-Breathalyzers?

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    Makes me wonder if ICE agents are so shunned irl as in media. Also, if they are so vicious, who risks calling them that? Also, is obesity really that bad in the US? The tourists and people who moved to my country from the US sure carry a bit (or a bit more) extra in most cases, but it can’t be that bad, can it?

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      It is that bad. The Americans who move to or visit Europe need funds and incentive to do that, which does not overlap with the poorest (and fattest) Americans.

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      Likely too much nuance to matter, but in this case, the shame is relative to a fitness expectation for a certain kind of work, not relative to the expectations of wider society.

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      This may be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think we should be telling people it’s “Okay” to be morbidly obese. It isn’t okay. It’s extremely dangerous, and a massive resource drain. I don’t see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who have tattooed swastikas on their foreheads, nor do I see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who weight a full x3 - x4 what their healthy weight is.

      Obviously swastikas and obesity are not the same thing. But the point is, I don’t think it’s a universal taboo to mock people’s appearances.

      Body positivity should be “It’s okay if you’re not a super model, there are many body shapes and sizes.” Not “It’s okay to eat nothing but fast food and twinkies. Your doctor is fat-phobic if they tell you to lose weight.”

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        You’re not wrong. Id add tho that there’s a mental health component to obesity that I think makes it more akin to substance abuse than forehead tattoos. But we dont tell people that its OK that they’re raging alcoholics, generally, and conversely, maybe interventions would help the morbidly obese, but we don’t do them.

        So I don’t disagree with you, but i dont think making fun of fat people is cool, which is what body shaming really is when youre name calling the Gravy Seals.

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          I actually fully agree with you, and the point about the alcoholics is quite pertinent. We don’t tell alcoholics they don’t need to change, and we also mock them for being self destructive.

          I also fully agree that mocking does not lead to change, encouragement and support does. However, LACK of mocking leads to normalization. I think support and condemnation are 2 sides of the same coin. We should be supporting those who need it, and condemning those who arrogantly refuse.

          And I may be conflating the 2, but I am quite confident that most of these obese ICE racists have no desire to better themselves.

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        There are numerous physical mental issues that bring someone to be that significant of a size. To break beyond the mental health issues to prioritize taking care of yourself and becoming healthier can be incredibly difficult. If you feel like a horrible piece of garbage and that the world thinks you’re a horrible piece of garbage, that only serves to make it harder.

        You have to start somewhere. To allow yourself to be okay with your body and except where it is now can help give someone acceptance to feel okay enough with themselves to actually start making progress.

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          I think it’s really hard for people living without “food noise” to understand that food noise is real.

          Like man, there’s pizza in the fridge and for hours ive denied myself the pizza but now the circular thinking feels like an anxiety attack, and if I just eat the fucking pizza, my mind will calm down. And so the pizza gets eaten. Then the food noise starts about the sugar cereal in the cupboard. It’s fucking wild.

          And there’s finally super expensive medication that can help turn that food noise down and that would likely save people from early deaths, but it’s expensive and obesity is so stigmatized as a laziness/self-control problem that getting the medication brings connotations of its own.

          Most people just don’t have food noise. And they dont understand what it is. 99.9% of the obese people you meet, if you asked them if theyd like to be instantly thinner would say yes, but there are legitimate health/mental health barriers to it that prevent them from losing weight in conventional ways.

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            As someone who has spent the vast portion of their life clinically underweight, oddly, I know exactly what you’re describing when you say “food noise”.

            See, I don’t really get hungry like “normal” people do, I usually only realise I’ve not eaten when I get to the stomach cramps stage. Never have done. I assume it’s an artefact of my autism or ADHD. (No, it’s not the stims I take as meds either, I wasn’t diagnosed till I was 33.)

            However, the latest attempt with Mirtazapine to treat the chronic depression has given me an insight I would have lacked otherwise. One of it’s side effects is an increased appetite, which manifests exactly how you describe it. Once the dose hits my system, I become very aware of everything in the kitchen, and my brain won’t STFU about it.

            It’s real, and you’re not imagining it. Which is all I can offer unfortunately. It’s not much, but the validation can be important sometimes. 💛

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        i never affirmed anything nor was i talking body positivity. this is just about calling people out for their body. that is shitty behaviour for sure. none of us knows the life of other people, nor do we know their medical conditions and socio-economic situations. stop blaming them for stuff you don’t know about. even if you were right about all of that for any given case and wished for them to be healthier: blame does not motivate people.

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          We do know the life of these other people, some of the shittiest people of them all or they wouldn’t be willing to do this job.

          Sorry, they deserve every possible shame they can get.

          Edit. They drop the ice, I will drop the berg.

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              body shaming those you dislike still hits those you like.

              we don’t know other peoples lives

              That is what you said. People I like don’t work for ice, and these people clearly do.

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                well, and you don’t like overweight people in general?

                by all means, hate ice fucks, but if you’d call them fags for whatever reason, i’d throw stuff at you. because using fag as an insult is an attack on me. that is the structure i was talking about. insults that are based on groups are shit if you “don’t really” mean to shit on the whole group.

                choose your insults wisely. :*

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                  That is an interesting context, and I get what you mean.

                  Funny though that my gay friends would call them FagBergs if that bothered the ice monsters. They would be all for it, largely because they don’t find it insulting to be called fags, lol.

                  In any case you don’t choose if you are gay but you do choose to join ice. If it gets under their skin, I really don’t care what you call them.

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          If you weight 500lbs, it’s becuase you eat more than you need. Biology is pure math. Calories in, calories out. There is no opinion or empathy in that calculation.

          Medication and living situations can definitely effect it though, and those who struggle with weight absolutely deserve support and kindness.

          But society needs both sides of the friction to genuinely encourage change. The condemnation side to prevent normalization, and the support side to welcome those who wish to change.

          I support and encourage those who need it. But I will continue to condemn and mock those who refuse.

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      All the fat people I know don’t consider themselves to be cop material, because they aren’t unbelievably stupid like these icebergs.

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      There are exceptions to every rule. In this case, this is a huge exception.

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      Honestly, if you get that big, there’s something wrong with you generally, or in my grandmother’s case she just never exercised, and ate junk food.

      In anycase, body positivity toward that isn’t exactly something I would encourage.

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          I’m not calling anybody names for being overweight, but im not going to do what OP said either and give anybody a spiel about how we come in all different shapes and sizes. That’s not body positivity in this case. Its just lying to someone who needs a lifestyle change.

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      I challenge you to find a single person offended by this who isn’t law enforcement or chronically online.