Wayland is a protocol, and major desktop versions like gnome and Kde implementation sucks balls…
Desktop crashes, oh there goes all my applikations that I started, gnome can’t keep up with switching workspaces because doesn’t fucking register the release key event. Fuck me dude xorg had no issues with switching windows or crashed barely crashed, gnome crashes 2 times a day. Oh sorry dude you want to use a custom screenshot tool, sorry dude, can’t allow that, have to do some weird workaround.
Oh you want change keybindings, no sorry dude can’t don’t support it.
Oh you wanted to automate window/workspace switching via scripts, you have inject fucking JavaScript into our runtime to query windows ids and state…
Jesus what joke of an implementation, it’s the anti theist of Linux. Everyone got fooled and allowed GUI developers implement the rendering backend…
And the best of all: hey do you want make software for Linux, sorry you app doesn’t work in KDE because the whole implementation of functionality you’re using is different from other Wayland implementation, can you plz fix in kde and gnome?
Its far better to have compositing the actually works vs the borked shit xorg has. Forcing every desktop maker to share the terrible stagnant base that was xorg is not the linux way. You’ve chosen to use an opinionated desktop that doesnt have the features you want. These arent hard to implement, a child was able to implement all those features by themselves in a few years.
Lmao, I didn’t choose gnome I’m forced to use it, Wayland sux balls. If you are talking about the buggy mess that is hyprland give me a break.
There was a lot of development happening around x server via extension to it, composite, xrandr, xrender. Stuff was being moved out of the x server and into the kernel. So what if, it was a heap of legacy, so is the Linux kernel. Shit worked and it worked good enough. The only thing that made it stagnant was forcing everyone to adopt Wayland, because of being afraid to be left behind.
Now canonical and red hat decides what should be part of the protocol, great isn’t. They cant even have a broad consensus leaving everyone to guess how shit should implemented.
Features: x11
Performance: x11
Tooling: x11
User friendly: x11
Multiscreen support: Wayland (but they also fucked upp with limitations due the protocol decisions they made)
You arent forced to do anything and why the fuck would you think im talking about hyprland. Pretty sure your whole comment is just trolling and you dont believe a single thing you’re saying.
Desktop crashes, oh there goes all my applikations that I started, gnome can’t keep up with switching workspaces[…]
GNOME, found your problem.
I can take screenshots or rebind keys on KDE, all of that without session losing crashes.
All you are describing simply doesn’t happen in KDE, and GNOME is notoriously bad at handling crashes, so go complain about GNOME rather than wayland as wayland is clearly not the culprit.
I have kde + Wayland on Arch, and everything works just fine even with my Nvidia card. About 1.5 years ago there was a bug big Wayland update that changed it from literally unusable to good but maybe a little buggy. Now it’s as stable as anything I’ve ever used.
I use spectacle for screen shots without issue. Switch windows, desktops, snapping windows, etc works perfect for me. Other features you mentioned I can’t personally speak to, but not having all of the features on a rolling release is to be expected with anything. It’s early phases were bad though.
The event loop shit is a gnome issue I have, I haven’t tried it with KDE but I wouldn’t be surprised if the issue remains, where if you are switching windows/workspace to often the gnome event loop doesn’t register that you have released the key because it’s to busy fucking rendering the window/ Workspace switch.
We obviously don’t have the same use case, so if it works for you all power to you. But it sucks balls, the way I like use my laptop when I’m working. Can’t even do simple shit as to rebind a key, please find a working guide for kde or gnome, surprise they don’t work, and it’s fucking baffling the amount of different guides of how change keybindings and how many steps they require you do to, but they even work, why is that?
Why doesn’t Wayland support fucking a config file, where you define key bindings, why does it not allow to copy shit from the terminal via xclip or any other method, it’s like we went back 50 years in time, dude these tools existed 25 years ago.
Wtf is this, it’s lacking so much functionality and also performance is worse, you get more performance from xserver like 20% more fps, just try playing a game and turn on the fps meter, and compare them. Wtf is this, how do you build something new based on prior knowledge but it’s worse.
I get very good fps in every game I play on my 2080ti that’s very much not new. I’ve had to download a fix for one game I have, and Sony doesn’t allow multiplayer in Ghost of Tsushima, but every other game literally loads and runs better than they ever have. 100fps+ in most games, and maybe less than 60 in the most intense. Arch + kde + Wayland is easily the best computing experience I’ve ever had.
I didn’t say Wayland had bad performance, if you read I said that x11 has better performance. For Wayland being new and more modern it should not underperform and dude just fucking look benchmarks online, you have internet.
I’ve had no performance degredation moving to Wayland after the aformentioned update. I read what you said. I’ve noticed no difference in performance, and anyone that’s fretting about 120 fps vs 110 fps is just splitting hairs for the sake of be being pedantic. I concede that there are some features that don’t exist that don’t apply to me and the vast majority of users, but for most of us, Wayland is just as good if not better in some common aspects.
Na I’ll always be hostile it’s more fun, I would less hostile if people stop the with telling what works for them, like I’m going to fucking get the same setup as dem. You do understand that there’s more angles than one, and not stopping and thinking yourself about the issue at hand and making weird assumptions without looking up anything, is kinda annoying after a while.
Because that is how most people are on Lemmy, it’s so hard to just have a discussion because you always have some people make counterpoints that fucking suck ass, and not based in anyone else’s reality but their own.
If I wouldn’t be hostile I would just stop writing, and it’s not like I’m angry, it’s just sounds funnier.
https://superuser.com/questions/1189467/how-to-copy-text-to-the-clipboard-when-using-wayland#1377550
In KDE, you can rebind the keybinds for anything, it’s under system settings in the keyboard section, I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. You can add custom ones to run any command, too, if the app doesn’t register a keybind, so you could, for example, send a dbus signal to the app. The way it’s done in wayland is different, but KDE supports all the stuff you mentioned in wayland from what I can tell.
It works so bad in KDE, and no I don’t want to use GUI to bind keys, I want to save the configuration and use if I need to reinstall. I tried to rebind changing keyboard layout, doesn’t work.
No because it crashes bro, key events aren’t properly registered, getting ghosted keys or whatever the term is, when it’s to busy rendering the window animations or Workspace animations.
I’ll tell you what, it’s super convenient for red hat/IBM or whoever else is paying for the development of gnome and KDE development to install spyware, because now everything goes via Wayland protocol.
Desktop crashes, oh there goes all my applikations that I started
I’m using KDE with a 1080ti. My desktop regularly crashes (it’s some hardware issue, pretty sure my 1080ti is on its way out). I never lose any of my open applications. All that happens is the wallpaper goes black, the panels disappear. Then about 5 seconds later the wallpaper and panels reload like nothing happened. Sometimes a panel widget will be “stuck” in a loading state, but opening then closing its settings refreshes it.
Aside from that no issues. And no crashing on any of my other systems with KDE.
Wayland is a protocol, and major desktop versions like gnome and Kde implementation sucks balls…
Desktop crashes, oh there goes all my applikations that I started, gnome can’t keep up with switching workspaces because doesn’t fucking register the release key event. Fuck me dude xorg had no issues with switching windows or crashed barely crashed, gnome crashes 2 times a day. Oh sorry dude you want to use a custom screenshot tool, sorry dude, can’t allow that, have to do some weird workaround.
Oh you want change keybindings, no sorry dude can’t don’t support it.
Oh you wanted to automate window/workspace switching via scripts, you have inject fucking JavaScript into our runtime to query windows ids and state…
Jesus what joke of an implementation, it’s the anti theist of Linux. Everyone got fooled and allowed GUI developers implement the rendering backend…
And the best of all: hey do you want make software for Linux, sorry you app doesn’t work in KDE because the whole implementation of functionality you’re using is different from other Wayland implementation, can you plz fix in kde and gnome?
“I have an issue with wayland waaa its so bad”
pulls of the mask
Every. Single. Time.
Its far better to have compositing the actually works vs the borked shit xorg has. Forcing every desktop maker to share the terrible stagnant base that was xorg is not the linux way. You’ve chosen to use an opinionated desktop that doesnt have the features you want. These arent hard to implement, a child was able to implement all those features by themselves in a few years.
Lmao, I didn’t choose gnome I’m forced to use it, Wayland sux balls. If you are talking about the buggy mess that is hyprland give me a break.
There was a lot of development happening around x server via extension to it, composite, xrandr, xrender. Stuff was being moved out of the x server and into the kernel. So what if, it was a heap of legacy, so is the Linux kernel. Shit worked and it worked good enough. The only thing that made it stagnant was forcing everyone to adopt Wayland, because of being afraid to be left behind.
Now canonical and red hat decides what should be part of the protocol, great isn’t. They cant even have a broad consensus leaving everyone to guess how shit should implemented.
Features: x11 Performance: x11 Tooling: x11 User friendly: x11 Multiscreen support: Wayland (but they also fucked upp with limitations due the protocol decisions they made)
You arent forced to do anything and why the fuck would you think im talking about hyprland. Pretty sure your whole comment is just trolling and you dont believe a single thing you’re saying.
GNOME, found your problem.
I can take screenshots or rebind keys on KDE, all of that without session losing crashes.
All you are describing simply doesn’t happen in KDE, and GNOME is notoriously bad at handling crashes, so go complain about GNOME rather than wayland as wayland is clearly not the culprit.
kde crashes don’t exit your applications, kde crashes everytime my pc goes into sleep mode and it preserves the apps
I have kde + Wayland on Arch, and everything works just fine even with my Nvidia card. About 1.5 years ago there was a
bugbig Wayland update that changed it from literally unusable to good but maybe a little buggy. Now it’s as stable as anything I’ve ever used.I use spectacle for screen shots without issue. Switch windows, desktops, snapping windows, etc works perfect for me. Other features you mentioned I can’t personally speak to, but not having all of the features on a rolling release is to be expected with anything. It’s early phases were bad though.
The event loop shit is a gnome issue I have, I haven’t tried it with KDE but I wouldn’t be surprised if the issue remains, where if you are switching windows/workspace to often the gnome event loop doesn’t register that you have released the key because it’s to busy fucking rendering the window/ Workspace switch.
We obviously don’t have the same use case, so if it works for you all power to you. But it sucks balls, the way I like use my laptop when I’m working. Can’t even do simple shit as to rebind a key, please find a working guide for kde or gnome, surprise they don’t work, and it’s fucking baffling the amount of different guides of how change keybindings and how many steps they require you do to, but they even work, why is that?
Why doesn’t Wayland support fucking a config file, where you define key bindings, why does it not allow to copy shit from the terminal via xclip or any other method, it’s like we went back 50 years in time, dude these tools existed 25 years ago.
Wtf is this, it’s lacking so much functionality and also performance is worse, you get more performance from xserver like 20% more fps, just try playing a game and turn on the fps meter, and compare them. Wtf is this, how do you build something new based on prior knowledge but it’s worse.
I get very good fps in every game I play on my 2080ti that’s very much not new. I’ve had to download a fix for one game I have, and Sony doesn’t allow multiplayer in Ghost of Tsushima, but every other game literally loads and runs better than they ever have. 100fps+ in most games, and maybe less than 60 in the most intense. Arch + kde + Wayland is easily the best computing experience I’ve ever had.
I didn’t say Wayland had bad performance, if you read I said that x11 has better performance. For Wayland being new and more modern it should not underperform and dude just fucking look benchmarks online, you have internet.
Here this one is for free, how you candy read. https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-vs-x11-performance-amd-graphics.html
I’ve had no performance degredation moving to Wayland after the aformentioned update. I read what you said. I’ve noticed no difference in performance, and anyone that’s fretting about 120 fps vs 110 fps is just splitting hairs for the sake of be being pedantic. I concede that there are some features that don’t exist that don’t apply to me and the vast majority of users, but for most of us, Wayland is just as good if not better in some common aspects.
No need to be hostile my dude. Chill.
Na I’ll always be hostile it’s more fun, I would less hostile if people stop the with telling what works for them, like I’m going to fucking get the same setup as dem. You do understand that there’s more angles than one, and not stopping and thinking yourself about the issue at hand and making weird assumptions without looking up anything, is kinda annoying after a while.
Because that is how most people are on Lemmy, it’s so hard to just have a discussion because you always have some people make counterpoints that fucking suck ass, and not based in anyone else’s reality but their own.
If I wouldn’t be hostile I would just stop writing, and it’s not like I’m angry, it’s just sounds funnier.
https://superuser.com/questions/1189467/how-to-copy-text-to-the-clipboard-when-using-wayland#1377550 In KDE, you can rebind the keybinds for anything, it’s under system settings in the keyboard section, I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. You can add custom ones to run any command, too, if the app doesn’t register a keybind, so you could, for example, send a dbus signal to the app. The way it’s done in wayland is different, but KDE supports all the stuff you mentioned in wayland from what I can tell.
It works so bad in KDE, and no I don’t want to use GUI to bind keys, I want to save the configuration and use if I need to reinstall. I tried to rebind changing keyboard layout, doesn’t work.
Sorry dude, but it works horribly bad
So, it does work, just not the way you would prefer it to?
No because it crashes bro, key events aren’t properly registered, getting ghosted keys or whatever the term is, when it’s to busy rendering the window animations or Workspace animations.
I’ll tell you what, it’s super convenient for red hat/IBM or whoever else is paying for the development of gnome and KDE development to install spyware, because now everything goes via Wayland protocol.
I’m using KDE with a 1080ti. My desktop regularly crashes (it’s some hardware issue, pretty sure my 1080ti is on its way out). I never lose any of my open applications. All that happens is the wallpaper goes black, the panels disappear. Then about 5 seconds later the wallpaper and panels reload like nothing happened. Sometimes a panel widget will be “stuck” in a loading state, but opening then closing its settings refreshes it.
Aside from that no issues. And no crashing on any of my other systems with KDE.