Einar Tangen is a Senior Fellow at Teihe Institute and a Senior Fellow at CIGI. Tangen discusses how the US is dismantling the international system in a desp...
Always. The consequences of nuclear fallouts weren’t worth it but that changes if there is no other opportunity left.
Again, there’s zero rational advantage to nuclear winter over simply having hegemony over the western hemisphere. I’m really glad that even the oligarchs aren’t this psychopathic.
America needs Europe against China. What would they do if Europe says no? Nuclear war against Europe?
America does not need Europe. What they need to make sure is that Europe doesn’t become independent and economically integrated with China and Russia. So, the solution is to burn Europe down. This is very clearly what the US is doing right now. If the US actually needed Europe then they wouldn’t be pursuing a destructive strategy against Europe. They’d be doing what they did during the Cold War when they poured a ton of resources into propping Europe up.
As there is now. Let the guards have family in other bunkers. Offer access to medical specialists elsewhere. But why live in a bunker if being on a ship in the Pacific is enough after some days?
And how long before one of the guards decides they don’t need the rich baby anymore and they can just run the show themselves?
Then why is the conflict not resolved?
Because the conflict has no direct impact on them. I literally just explained this in my last reply. The current conflict is just a game for these people. There are zero personal consequences. They already have more wealth and power than they know what to do with. They will be comfortable no matter what happens, unless there is a nuclear holocaust. That’s literally the only negative scenario for them that they would want to avoid.
For now. At one point China has the better technology and will put an end to it. The US would be opened like China was opened. The US can’t isolate for eternity.
I think the most likely scenario is that the US implodes, but China also hasn’t been an expansionist power historically. I don’t see any reason to expect China to do what the US is doing going forward.
Who does the research for them instead? It would accelerate the Chinese technology takeover
Creating instability is what the US does to slow down China. If Europe is thrown into chaos that will slow down Eurasian integration significantly. The same way the wars and terrorism did in West Asia. Europe isn’t indispensable in any way. Also, if you look at research spending, you can see that Europe is a drop in a bucket compared to the US even now.
I think it’s deception. Europe is still an ally. It’s good cop, bad cop. We are at the beginning of the Iran war, not at the end. The US was prepared to fight two major wars at the same time. Like Syria, they will take their time to arrange the opposition.
We’ll find out soon enough. I don’t see any deception here myself. The US is very much strained economically, the numbers don’t lie. The US lacks industrial base and isn’t able to produce a lot of the things it needs. Europe is a burden for the US right now. It has never been an ally either. It’s just been a convenient pawn to use against USSR during the Cold War. Now that USSR no longer exists, Europe has little value. If you think that the US would fight for Europe then prepare to be very surprised going forward.
Again, there’s zero rational advantage to nuclear winter over simply having hegemony over the western hemisphere
True, but how can the US defend their hegemony? People will see the better phones, the nicer clothes and the better entertainment from China.
If the US actually needed Europe then they wouldn’t be pursuing a destructive strategy against Europe.
They remove our freedom and take our energy intense processes but I don’t see the full destruction.
And how long before one of the guards decides they don’t need the rich baby anymore?
As long as it takes. Like on a ship, mutinity is not useful if you need access to harbours.
The current conflict is just a game for these people.
I agree but the negotiation position of the US elite is declining. Why don’t they make the deal now? Why the war? Iran will demand reparations and China will grant it.
I don’t see any reason to expect China to do what the US is doing going forward.
Mercy for the colonized and the benefits of the world working together. I don’t expect conquests but I expect that they will dismantle US hegemony, to remove its threat and to liberate its people. Free healthcare for all. That doesn’t mean a war against the US but support for opposition parties in Latin America.
Europe isn’t indispensable in any way. Also, if you look at research spending, you can see that Europe is a drop in a bucket compared to the US even now.
The US doesn’t have the population to compete with China. If they can get the European immigrants that is not such a big problem but without good schools in Europe that’s throwing away too many resources.
If you think that the US would fight for Europe then prepare to be very surprised going forward.
I don’t expect that. I expect that the US wants Europe to fight for them, to occupy Russia while the US take care of China.
True, but how can the US defend their hegemony? People will see the better phones, the nicer clothes and the better entertainment from China.
They can’t, but the rulers don’t care about the people or their wellbeing. They are just a resource to extract value from. The life for the average American will get worse, but as we see in places like Latin America, people will likely accept it. You’ll see a situation where 80% of the population lives in favelas and then top 20% continue as if nothing happened.
They remove our freedom and take our energy intense processes but I don’t see the full destruction.
It will happen. Europe is being pushed into a war with Russia right now, and unless something dramatically changes there will either be a crisis of austerity or an all out war. Either way, I don’t see a path where things in Europe start getting better unless relations with Russia are normalized.
As long as it takes. Like on a ship, mutinity is not useful if you need access to harbours.
What do they need access for exactly? The power oligarchs wield is a social contract. Once that contract is gone they’re at the mercy of their own security forces. They have no way to exercise power over them.
I agree but the negotiation position of the US elite is declining. Why don’t they make the deal now? Why the war? Iran will demand reparations and China will grant it.
I feel like we’re going in circles here. I’ve already explained this above. The purpose of the war in Iran is to cut Asia off from cheap energy, slow its development, and make more countries become dependent on the US energy exports. Then create problems from China to slow its development and trade. Exactly the same formula playing out with Europe and Russia right now, except transplanted to Asia. China having to grant reparation to Iran will itself be a drain on resources. Everything China will have to do to stabilize its region is resources that cannot be spent on further advancement.
Mercy for the colonized and the benefits of the world working together. I don’t expect conquests but I expect that they will dismantle US hegemony, to remove its threat and to liberate its people. Free healthcare for all. That doesn’t mean a war against the US but support for opposition parties in Latin America.
Sure, and the US will, in turn, pursue their strategy of doing piracy in the western hemisphere, abucting heads of governments, coups, regime change operations, and so on. There is a long history of them doing this in Latin America. And USSR providing help to these countries did not change the course of things. There’s little reason to expect that China can do better here.
The US doesn’t have the population to compete with China. If they can get the European immigrants that is not such a big problem but without good schools in Europe that’s throwing away too many resources.
The idea will be to turn Europe into something akin to Latin America. There will be compadre regimes which will allow the US to continue to extract labor and resources. If the relative living standards in the US will be higher, then a lot of upper middle class will want to migrate to escape the conditions. They will have nowhere else to go because, let’s face it, Europeans are far too racist to migrate to China.
I don’t expect that. I expect that the US wants Europe to fight for them, to occupy Russia while the US take care of China.
It’s pretty clear that Europe doesn’t have the capacity to occupy Russia, but I agree that throwing Europe into a war with Russia is very much where the US is steering things.
Again, there’s zero rational advantage to nuclear winter over simply having hegemony over the western hemisphere. I’m really glad that even the oligarchs aren’t this psychopathic.
America does not need Europe. What they need to make sure is that Europe doesn’t become independent and economically integrated with China and Russia. So, the solution is to burn Europe down. This is very clearly what the US is doing right now. If the US actually needed Europe then they wouldn’t be pursuing a destructive strategy against Europe. They’d be doing what they did during the Cold War when they poured a ton of resources into propping Europe up.
And how long before one of the guards decides they don’t need the rich baby anymore and they can just run the show themselves?
Because the conflict has no direct impact on them. I literally just explained this in my last reply. The current conflict is just a game for these people. There are zero personal consequences. They already have more wealth and power than they know what to do with. They will be comfortable no matter what happens, unless there is a nuclear holocaust. That’s literally the only negative scenario for them that they would want to avoid.
I think the most likely scenario is that the US implodes, but China also hasn’t been an expansionist power historically. I don’t see any reason to expect China to do what the US is doing going forward.
Creating instability is what the US does to slow down China. If Europe is thrown into chaos that will slow down Eurasian integration significantly. The same way the wars and terrorism did in West Asia. Europe isn’t indispensable in any way. Also, if you look at research spending, you can see that Europe is a drop in a bucket compared to the US even now.
We’ll find out soon enough. I don’t see any deception here myself. The US is very much strained economically, the numbers don’t lie. The US lacks industrial base and isn’t able to produce a lot of the things it needs. Europe is a burden for the US right now. It has never been an ally either. It’s just been a convenient pawn to use against USSR during the Cold War. Now that USSR no longer exists, Europe has little value. If you think that the US would fight for Europe then prepare to be very surprised going forward.
True, but how can the US defend their hegemony? People will see the better phones, the nicer clothes and the better entertainment from China.
They remove our freedom and take our energy intense processes but I don’t see the full destruction.
As long as it takes. Like on a ship, mutinity is not useful if you need access to harbours.
I agree but the negotiation position of the US elite is declining. Why don’t they make the deal now? Why the war? Iran will demand reparations and China will grant it.
Mercy for the colonized and the benefits of the world working together. I don’t expect conquests but I expect that they will dismantle US hegemony, to remove its threat and to liberate its people. Free healthcare for all. That doesn’t mean a war against the US but support for opposition parties in Latin America.
The US doesn’t have the population to compete with China. If they can get the European immigrants that is not such a big problem but without good schools in Europe that’s throwing away too many resources.
I don’t expect that. I expect that the US wants Europe to fight for them, to occupy Russia while the US take care of China.
They can’t, but the rulers don’t care about the people or their wellbeing. They are just a resource to extract value from. The life for the average American will get worse, but as we see in places like Latin America, people will likely accept it. You’ll see a situation where 80% of the population lives in favelas and then top 20% continue as if nothing happened.
It will happen. Europe is being pushed into a war with Russia right now, and unless something dramatically changes there will either be a crisis of austerity or an all out war. Either way, I don’t see a path where things in Europe start getting better unless relations with Russia are normalized.
What do they need access for exactly? The power oligarchs wield is a social contract. Once that contract is gone they’re at the mercy of their own security forces. They have no way to exercise power over them.
I feel like we’re going in circles here. I’ve already explained this above. The purpose of the war in Iran is to cut Asia off from cheap energy, slow its development, and make more countries become dependent on the US energy exports. Then create problems from China to slow its development and trade. Exactly the same formula playing out with Europe and Russia right now, except transplanted to Asia. China having to grant reparation to Iran will itself be a drain on resources. Everything China will have to do to stabilize its region is resources that cannot be spent on further advancement.
Sure, and the US will, in turn, pursue their strategy of doing piracy in the western hemisphere, abucting heads of governments, coups, regime change operations, and so on. There is a long history of them doing this in Latin America. And USSR providing help to these countries did not change the course of things. There’s little reason to expect that China can do better here.
The idea will be to turn Europe into something akin to Latin America. There will be compadre regimes which will allow the US to continue to extract labor and resources. If the relative living standards in the US will be higher, then a lot of upper middle class will want to migrate to escape the conditions. They will have nowhere else to go because, let’s face it, Europeans are far too racist to migrate to China.
It’s pretty clear that Europe doesn’t have the capacity to occupy Russia, but I agree that throwing Europe into a war with Russia is very much where the US is steering things.