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    3 个月前

    Again, there’s zero rational advantage to nuclear winter over simply having hegemony over the western hemisphere

    True, but how can the US defend their hegemony? People will see the better phones, the nicer clothes and the better entertainment from China.

    If the US actually needed Europe then they wouldn’t be pursuing a destructive strategy against Europe.

    They remove our freedom and take our energy intense processes but I don’t see the full destruction.

    And how long before one of the guards decides they don’t need the rich baby anymore?

    As long as it takes. Like on a ship, mutinity is not useful if you need access to harbours.

    The current conflict is just a game for these people.

    I agree but the negotiation position of the US elite is declining. Why don’t they make the deal now? Why the war? Iran will demand reparations and China will grant it.

    I don’t see any reason to expect China to do what the US is doing going forward.

    Mercy for the colonized and the benefits of the world working together. I don’t expect conquests but I expect that they will dismantle US hegemony, to remove its threat and to liberate its people. Free healthcare for all. That doesn’t mean a war against the US but support for opposition parties in Latin America.

    Europe isn’t indispensable in any way. Also, if you look at research spending, you can see that Europe is a drop in a bucket compared to the US even now.

    The US doesn’t have the population to compete with China. If they can get the European immigrants that is not such a big problem but without good schools in Europe that’s throwing away too many resources.

    If you think that the US would fight for Europe then prepare to be very surprised going forward.

    I don’t expect that. I expect that the US wants Europe to fight for them, to occupy Russia while the US take care of China.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      True, but how can the US defend their hegemony? People will see the better phones, the nicer clothes and the better entertainment from China.

      They can’t, but the rulers don’t care about the people or their wellbeing. They are just a resource to extract value from. The life for the average American will get worse, but as we see in places like Latin America, people will likely accept it. You’ll see a situation where 80% of the population lives in favelas and then top 20% continue as if nothing happened.

      They remove our freedom and take our energy intense processes but I don’t see the full destruction.

      It will happen. Europe is being pushed into a war with Russia right now, and unless something dramatically changes there will either be a crisis of austerity or an all out war. Either way, I don’t see a path where things in Europe start getting better unless relations with Russia are normalized.

      As long as it takes. Like on a ship, mutinity is not useful if you need access to harbours.

      What do they need access for exactly? The power oligarchs wield is a social contract. Once that contract is gone they’re at the mercy of their own security forces. They have no way to exercise power over them.

      I agree but the negotiation position of the US elite is declining. Why don’t they make the deal now? Why the war? Iran will demand reparations and China will grant it.

      I feel like we’re going in circles here. I’ve already explained this above. The purpose of the war in Iran is to cut Asia off from cheap energy, slow its development, and make more countries become dependent on the US energy exports. Then create problems from China to slow its development and trade. Exactly the same formula playing out with Europe and Russia right now, except transplanted to Asia. China having to grant reparation to Iran will itself be a drain on resources. Everything China will have to do to stabilize its region is resources that cannot be spent on further advancement.

      Mercy for the colonized and the benefits of the world working together. I don’t expect conquests but I expect that they will dismantle US hegemony, to remove its threat and to liberate its people. Free healthcare for all. That doesn’t mean a war against the US but support for opposition parties in Latin America.

      Sure, and the US will, in turn, pursue their strategy of doing piracy in the western hemisphere, abucting heads of governments, coups, regime change operations, and so on. There is a long history of them doing this in Latin America. And USSR providing help to these countries did not change the course of things. There’s little reason to expect that China can do better here.

      The US doesn’t have the population to compete with China. If they can get the European immigrants that is not such a big problem but without good schools in Europe that’s throwing away too many resources.

      The idea will be to turn Europe into something akin to Latin America. There will be compadre regimes which will allow the US to continue to extract labor and resources. If the relative living standards in the US will be higher, then a lot of upper middle class will want to migrate to escape the conditions. They will have nowhere else to go because, let’s face it, Europeans are far too racist to migrate to China.

      I don’t expect that. I expect that the US wants Europe to fight for them, to occupy Russia while the US take care of China.

      It’s pretty clear that Europe doesn’t have the capacity to occupy Russia, but I agree that throwing Europe into a war with Russia is very much where the US is steering things.