Those that lack empathy hate that people are right about their hidden feelings. The reason for that is empathy is real and no amount of shade thrown on it negates that.
No I’m not. The meme is a attack on the very concept of empaty for those wretched disabled souls who lack it. The lack of it is at the heart of every wrong commited in todays world. If we could identify these people and teach the foolish to ignore them we wouldn’t have the horror in china, Palistine and the US. Using the US miltary reporting on mental health diagnoses we know that twenty percent of the population lacks empathy and that twenty percnet, that minority is keeping the normal population from acheiveing wonders.
No its not an attack on empathy. Empathy isnt projecting your own thoughts onto people and believing wholeheartedly that you are correct. Its trying to put yourself in their shoes and understand how they are feeling. “Trying to understand” being the difference here. .
It’s always been my understanding that the term empath implies some sort of higher sense that not everyone is capable of. Similar to some extra sensory ability. Though I may be incorrect. I’ve never read anything jabbing at “empaths” as jabs at empathy as a concept.
Edit: Phone autocorrected “empaths” to “empathy”, oops.
I don’t immediately know another persons mood and temperament. I can however get a good read on it in a matter of minutes. If I’m around someone regularly I invariably identity if they lack of empathy by how cruel they react to anthers misfortune. Nothing extra sensory about it. Its just empathy.
I think they directed it at people who think they inow how you feel and insist their interpretation is correct even when told it isn’t. I’ve met some people like that.
As an example, people who claim you must be upset about something and telling you how your body language clearly says so even when you aren’t really upset etc. But that’s a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy because people do get upset that hah
And I’ve met plenty of people who can pick up on people’s moods and know that people who mock others’ misfortunes are cruel without calling themselves empaths.
For what it’s worth, that’s essentially how Wikipedia describes it:
Empath (/ˈɛmpæθ/; from Ancient Greek ἐμπάθεια (empátheia) ‘passion’) is a term for people who are claimed to have a higher than usual level of empathy.
In parapsychology, the mechanism for being an empath is said to be psychic channeling; psychics and mediums say that they channel the emotional states and experiences of other living beings, or the spirits of dead people, in the form of “emotional resonance.” Studies of such claims have found them to be the result of mundane empathy and charisma, with no actual supernatural capabilities involved.
I have empathy. I am not trolling. Just having a discussion online. Tone doesn’t always come across well oger text. Just thought it was important to share that I really really don’t think people who say things like this are saying empathy is bad.
I feel like I’m completely detached from this social relation. I find self proclaimed “empaths” mostly just annoying or unconvincing. I don’t really have any hatred for them.
People misread my feelings all the time. Then again I’m autistic and default to a poker face like 90% of the time unless I exert effort to emote.
Any empath who has familiarity enough with it will acknowledge that, like any other thing you see externally, mistakes can be made. With empathy, those can go pretty deep, too.
That said, I’d no more discard empathy than I would vision, and I’m not fool enough to discard a sense just because I’m not always right about how I interpret it.
Mind reading and prediction is often a sign of anxiety. It’s also listed as a way to violently communicate.
It’s common pattern in people who have been raised in an abusive environment who have been expected to anticipate everything about an abusive loved one who doesnt communicate openly and with respect.
As a result this can lead the person who is ‘mindreading’ (better description is anticipating) as removing agency around loved ones and it is a form of manipulation where discount a person from being able to give input.
So if you’re finding a lot of people are disliking something you’re doing(you’ve now admitted this, good for you! First step is always admittance! It’s a big step!)
They are unhappy with how you are treating them as it is unfair and is a form of emotional abuse.
Asserting that peoples behaviors are intrinsically violent can also be a violent means of communication. Not that are shouldn’t respond to problematic behaviors - and there are circumstances that are as you describe.
No, you didn’t say it was always violent, but for a pattern of thinking and feeling that is so common, so useful, and so beneficial in so many ways, I don’t think there wholesale focus on how bad it is is warranted.
Obviously, as with most mentalities, there are benefits and detriments to it. But there are a lot of people that perform model synchronization by verifying the predictive capacity of the model they hold (whether or not they think of that progress consciously). It’s a means of getting on the same page. Sometimes it’s lovey-dovey. Sometimes it’s practical. Sometimes it’s controlling and problematic. But, by no means is it always, or even generally, violent.
Projecting personal dialogue onto others doesn’t make you a messiah.
If someone doesn’t like what you’re doing to them, and you know it’s making them uncomfortable and you even go as far as to tout it to shame them and give it an excuse “oh they don’t like having their thoughts said out loud”, you are doing what an abuser does. Minimize their victims. You don’t even allow them to defend themselves. This is abusive behaviour.
Asserting that peoples behaviors are intrinsically violent can also be a violent means of communication
Abusers also try to turn tables and call themselves a victim at the moment someone calls out their abusive behavior.
projecting personal dialogue into others doesn’t make you a messiah
Why would I think it does? do you not see that you are projecting that?
If someone doesn’t like what you’re doing to them, and you know it’s making them uncomfortable and you even go as far as to tout it to shame them and give it an excuse “oh they don’t like having their thoughts said out loud”, you are doing what an abuser does. Minimize their victims. You don’t even allow them to defend themselves. This is abusive behaviour.
I don’t think you’re fighting me here. …and I’m not interested in fighting you. I am not doing or saying what you think I am, and you have clearly placed me in the role of your abuser. I’m uninterested. …and if that is something you consider abusive, that’s on you.
Abusers also try to turn tables and call themselves a victim at the moment someone calls out their abusive behavior.
I am not claiming to be a victim, and I am uninterested in victimizing others (though I am interested in patterns of behavior in general, including trauma loops). My goal here is to converse and discuss interesting concepts.
I still think that what I actually said stands, regardless of your interpretation, which I disagree with.
Those that lack empathy hate that people are right about their hidden feelings. The reason for that is empathy is real and no amount of shade thrown on it negates that.
Congrats you are the person in the meme.
No I’m not. The meme is a attack on the very concept of empaty for those wretched disabled souls who lack it. The lack of it is at the heart of every wrong commited in todays world. If we could identify these people and teach the foolish to ignore them we wouldn’t have the horror in china, Palistine and the US. Using the US miltary reporting on mental health diagnoses we know that twenty percent of the population lacks empathy and that twenty percnet, that minority is keeping the normal population from acheiveing wonders.
No its not an attack on empathy. Empathy isnt projecting your own thoughts onto people and believing wholeheartedly that you are correct. Its trying to put yourself in their shoes and understand how they are feeling. “Trying to understand” being the difference here. .
It’s always been my understanding that the term empath implies some sort of higher sense that not everyone is capable of. Similar to some extra sensory ability. Though I may be incorrect. I’ve never read anything jabbing at “empaths” as jabs at empathy as a concept.
Edit: Phone autocorrected “empaths” to “empathy”, oops.
I don’t immediately know another persons mood and temperament. I can however get a good read on it in a matter of minutes. If I’m around someone regularly I invariably identity if they lack of empathy by how cruel they react to anthers misfortune. Nothing extra sensory about it. Its just empathy.
I don’t think OP was making fun of that normal stuff
I’m pretty sure OP lacks any empathy at all. Its all magic to them.
I think they directed it at people who think they inow how you feel and insist their interpretation is correct even when told it isn’t. I’ve met some people like that.
As an example, people who claim you must be upset about something and telling you how your body language clearly says so even when you aren’t really upset etc. But that’s a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy because people do get upset that hah
And I’m saying that’s not what I typically think people mean when they say they’re an empath. I mean they mean something more than that.
I’ve never met anyone who thought they were a scifi/fantasy empath.
And I’ve met plenty of people who can pick up on people’s moods and know that people who mock others’ misfortunes are cruel without calling themselves empaths.
For what it’s worth, that’s essentially how Wikipedia describes it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empath
Go away. I’m starting to think you are just trolling. Or you are one of those without it at all. Could be either but I’m done with this.
I have empathy. I am not trolling. Just having a discussion online. Tone doesn’t always come across well oger text. Just thought it was important to share that I really really don’t think people who say things like this are saying empathy is bad.
I feel like I’m completely detached from this social relation. I find self proclaimed “empaths” mostly just annoying or unconvincing. I don’t really have any hatred for them.
People misread my feelings all the time. Then again I’m autistic and default to a poker face like 90% of the time unless I exert effort to emote.
I find people who deny its existence to be people that don’t believe empathy is real due to their total lack of it.
You sounds like a conservative. “I don’t understand how someone doesn’t believe what I believe so they must be somehow intrinsically evil.”
EDIT: Also I don’t think anyone was saying they don’t believe empathy is real, but that self proclaimed “empaths” are usually full of shit.
Emotional abuse is real too. This isn’t mindreading. It’s not prediction. It’s anticipation. And it’s emotionally discarding the people around you.
Empathy isn’t even part of what this is the moment you are throwing or feeling any shade.
Any empath who has familiarity enough with it will acknowledge that, like any other thing you see externally, mistakes can be made. With empathy, those can go pretty deep, too.
That said, I’d no more discard empathy than I would vision, and I’m not fool enough to discard a sense just because I’m not always right about how I interpret it.
I think that most people dislike having someone point out how they’re really feeling. At least initially
https://www.counselinglibrary.org/images/PDF_Documents/CBT_Handouts/10_Forms_of_Twisted_Thinking.pdf
Mind reading and prediction is often a sign of anxiety. It’s also listed as a way to violently communicate.
It’s common pattern in people who have been raised in an abusive environment who have been expected to anticipate everything about an abusive loved one who doesnt communicate openly and with respect.
As a result this can lead the person who is ‘mindreading’ (better description is anticipating) as removing agency around loved ones and it is a form of manipulation where discount a person from being able to give input.
So if you’re finding a lot of people are disliking something you’re doing(you’ve now admitted this, good for you! First step is always admittance! It’s a big step!) They are unhappy with how you are treating them as it is unfair and is a form of emotional abuse.
https://www.cnvc.org/
Just some references here in case you want to make an actual change for the better around the people you love.
Asserting that peoples behaviors are intrinsically violent can also be a violent means of communication. Not that are shouldn’t respond to problematic behaviors - and there are circumstances that are as you describe.
No, you didn’t say it was always violent, but for a pattern of thinking and feeling that is so common, so useful, and so beneficial in so many ways, I don’t think there wholesale focus on how bad it is is warranted.
Obviously, as with most mentalities, there are benefits and detriments to it. But there are a lot of people that perform model synchronization by verifying the predictive capacity of the model they hold (whether or not they think of that progress consciously). It’s a means of getting on the same page. Sometimes it’s lovey-dovey. Sometimes it’s practical. Sometimes it’s controlling and problematic. But, by no means is it always, or even generally, violent.
Projecting personal dialogue onto others doesn’t make you a messiah.
If someone doesn’t like what you’re doing to them, and you know it’s making them uncomfortable and you even go as far as to tout it to shame them and give it an excuse “oh they don’t like having their thoughts said out loud”, you are doing what an abuser does. Minimize their victims. You don’t even allow them to defend themselves. This is abusive behaviour.
Abusers also try to turn tables and call themselves a victim at the moment someone calls out their abusive behavior.
Why would I think it does? do you not see that you are projecting that?
I don’t think you’re fighting me here. …and I’m not interested in fighting you. I am not doing or saying what you think I am, and you have clearly placed me in the role of your abuser. I’m uninterested. …and if that is something you consider abusive, that’s on you.
I am not claiming to be a victim, and I am uninterested in victimizing others (though I am interested in patterns of behavior in general, including trauma loops). My goal here is to converse and discuss interesting concepts.
I still think that what I actually said stands, regardless of your interpretation, which I disagree with.
I never said that I was the one doing it.
You offered your own prediction on what it is you think others dislike. That’s an assumption.
That’s not a prediction; it’s an observation.
You made the assumption here.
And we all should just trust you’re THE reliable narrator when making observations and playing messiah? Who asked you?
Have you ever tried not being a condescending cunt?
Same question but to you.