It’s just lies and deceit all the way down it seems… Every corner of almost every aspect of our lives, these kind of things keep cropping up. Kinda makes me feel like there might be an underlying reason to it all… Hmm…

Thank you so much for saying this. It’s refreshing to hear this coming from someone else. We are divided in so many ways and need to bring the spirit of community back - the things you mention are critical steps in that direction.

Like I said, as I was typing I thought of more. Three was just the immediate number I thought of.

Yes 3 / 195 is indeed 1.5%. That number adds nothing of essence to determine what percent of the world population is leftist in their politics. Countries do not have consistent landmass or population, and within even socialist countries not all people are left in their political ideology.

Look you’re clearly not a leftist and you’re here to just troll, so why comment on “leftist infighting” at all? I address this in my previous comment but you just ignored it. So again, have a nice day.

Three countries off the top of my head are socialist. Actually I can think of a couple more, so yeah we’ve got a pretty good start. You can look into it yourself if you have any questions, I don’t feel you’re here to discuss in good faith. So, have a nice day.

And years ago, there we people saying the same as you about the political parties that we struggle to remember now. I won’t lose hope, but you’re entitled to your speculation.

It is growing pains. This is the necessary hashing out of common thought among any political movement. There is much upset and confusion right now and people are examining the world through different eyes. People are shedding their pre-existing worldviews. So obviously there will be infighting and bickering, as our thoughts settle and coalesce.

The broad statistical categorization of Dems and Repubs that you give doesn’t express the fact that there are smaller groups within those categories who are disagreeing with each other much the same as leftists do here. (e.g. “RINOs”, “never-Trumpers”, the “Tea Party” of recent history) A lot of their internal struggle is kept secret, as they already have fully-fledged parties with the resources and structure to herd their members on common lines. It’s not appropriate to compare open-format discussion online to the outward messaging of fully-realized parties.

As I understand, there are DSA members who are within that “Democrat” label as well who are using the reach of that party to further spread leftist messages. The statistics you list has no bearing on the fact that “leftist” ideas are spreading more rapidly in the US and people are thirsty for change. The current statistics don’t say anything of the future.

When Ho Chi Minh returned to Vietnam and eventually liberated that country from capitalism, it was just him and a handful of others starting out. Different circumstances of course, but the point is things can change rapidly. Demographic statistics are irrelevant to that.

There is still much work to do. Capitalism will end one day - even if outside our lifetimes. No one now can predict how that will turn out, but it will end just as feudalism did when the conditions of the world changed.

DSA, while not as left or “radical” as some on here, are already a political bloc in the US having meaningful impact. I support and celebrate their achievements even if I want more.

So… You’re wrong.

They’re saying yeah vote but do more… What do you mean?