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Most of what people talk about when they talk about AI… are talking about products. ChatGPT is a product being sold. Claude is a product being sold. “AI” being shoved into other products also makes it a product being sold. etc.
You’re right, they’re not mutually exclusive words, but I’m going to thoroughly disagree that people are talking about those specific companies when talking about AI as a technology, which we certainly are here.
You might not like the product that is Claude or whoever, but I don’t like Irwin hammers, doesn’t mean it’s not an effective tool. And it doesn’t stop the world from utilizing it. And it doesn’t automatically make the job any less correct.
No one is out here trying to have the AI be their OS, they’re using it to build things, so the house thing isnt any better. Keeping those teens off the jobsite is only going to stop that house, not the industry. You don’t want to live in it, that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to be exactly what someone else needs. And those kids did get some experience, even if its just the walls falling down around their ears. Next one will be better.
Would it be ideal if everything was inherently safer and more thoroughly understood by the masses? Yes. Is it a reality that is achievable?
lol defending teenagers willy lilly building a house and ignoring building codes…
OK
Your attitude is beyond pathetic. Your attitude would still have us working 10x6 days with no insurance anywhere to be seen. Your attitude reinforces all the shit you think “AI” can fix.
There’s no such thing as ‘just a tool’, especially if that tool is accelerating climate change when we’re already on the knife’s edge of irreversible domino effects.
Your response to my comment mentioning that AI is contributionibg to climate change was to suggest it was equivalent to HVAC workers being afraid of heatpumps.
If you think climate change is an impending global disaster, do you think building giant data centers that require extremely polluting on-site power generators is not a particularly bad idea, and should factor in heavily on how this technology is used or promoted?
It seems like most users and advocates of LLMs find the idea of limiting its use to just locally hosted models to avoid the majority of the negative externalities to be unthinkable.
Climate change is an issue, but this hardcore stance with no nuance isn’t helping. The extreme strawman slippery slopes don’t help, either.
You’ve got a capitalism problem, not an AI one
Data centers don’t require any of those things. It absolutely can and should be regulated (or even existing laws enforced.) Irresponsible implementation is an issue, but if the only people with any familiarity with the technology don’t care to do any of that? Do you think there is a world where this genie goes back into a bottle?
AI is indisputably helpful in many situations. Most people who I know that use AI generally use local models and that can cover 95% of what people want or need to do with it. (You might have a bit of a blindspot there). But there is a place for the big models as well.
The capitalism problem is also responsible for an inability to regulate AI, as the very people responsible for the regulations are lobbied to fuck by the AI corps to avoid that regulation.
That means the only power to fight back against them rests in the hands if individuals, who can refuse to use the corporate owned tools.
Most people I know are using corporate AI, and appeals to try local LLMs fall on deaf ears in my experience, with claims that they aren’t powerful enough or that the hardware to run them is too cost prohibitive. If most of the people you know are running local models, I think that is an exception to the norm.
Would you support FLOSS projects officially restricting any AI contributions to those only made with locally hosted models? As I said, most times I’ve mentioned that idea in other threads, the pro-AI side was vehemently against it.
It’s a tool, not a product.
LLMs and other machine “learning” are tools.
Most of what people talk about when they talk about AI… are talking about products. ChatGPT is a product being sold. Claude is a product being sold. “AI” being shoved into other products also makes it a product being sold. etc.
They are not even mutually exclusive words…
You’re right, they’re not mutually exclusive words, but I’m going to thoroughly disagree that people are talking about those specific companies when talking about AI as a technology, which we certainly are here.
You might not like the product that is Claude or whoever, but I don’t like Irwin hammers, doesn’t mean it’s not an effective tool. And it doesn’t stop the world from utilizing it. And it doesn’t automatically make the job any less correct.
No one is out here trying to have the AI be their OS, they’re using it to build things, so the house thing isnt any better. Keeping those teens off the jobsite is only going to stop that house, not the industry. You don’t want to live in it, that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to be exactly what someone else needs. And those kids did get some experience, even if its just the walls falling down around their ears. Next one will be better.
Would it be ideal if everything was inherently safer and more thoroughly understood by the masses? Yes. Is it a reality that is achievable?
lol defending teenagers willy lilly building a house and ignoring building codes…
OK
Your attitude is beyond pathetic. Your attitude would still have us working 10x6 days with no insurance anywhere to be seen. Your attitude reinforces all the shit you think “AI” can fix.
Yours would have us using bones as clubs.
There’s no such thing as ‘just a tool’, especially if that tool is accelerating climate change when we’re already on the knife’s edge of irreversible domino effects.
Sounds like y’all are afraid, just like the HVAC guys and the mini splits.
Also sounds like that writer needs to learn to use a fork.
You don’t think climate change is a massive threat to our habitable biosphere?
Yep. That’s clearly what I’m saying./s
Now I can see why you thought that article was a rebuttal though.
Your response to my comment mentioning that AI is contributionibg to climate change was to suggest it was equivalent to HVAC workers being afraid of heatpumps.
If you think climate change is an impending global disaster, do you think building giant data centers that require extremely polluting on-site power generators is not a particularly bad idea, and should factor in heavily on how this technology is used or promoted?
It seems like most users and advocates of LLMs find the idea of limiting its use to just locally hosted models to avoid the majority of the negative externalities to be unthinkable.
Climate change is an issue, but this hardcore stance with no nuance isn’t helping. The extreme strawman slippery slopes don’t help, either.
You’ve got a capitalism problem, not an AI one
Data centers don’t require any of those things. It absolutely can and should be regulated (or even existing laws enforced.) Irresponsible implementation is an issue, but if the only people with any familiarity with the technology don’t care to do any of that? Do you think there is a world where this genie goes back into a bottle?
AI is indisputably helpful in many situations. Most people who I know that use AI generally use local models and that can cover 95% of what people want or need to do with it. (You might have a bit of a blindspot there). But there is a place for the big models as well.
The capitalism problem is also responsible for an inability to regulate AI, as the very people responsible for the regulations are lobbied to fuck by the AI corps to avoid that regulation.
That means the only power to fight back against them rests in the hands if individuals, who can refuse to use the corporate owned tools.
Most people I know are using corporate AI, and appeals to try local LLMs fall on deaf ears in my experience, with claims that they aren’t powerful enough or that the hardware to run them is too cost prohibitive. If most of the people you know are running local models, I think that is an exception to the norm.
Would you support FLOSS projects officially restricting any AI contributions to those only made with locally hosted models? As I said, most times I’ve mentioned that idea in other threads, the pro-AI side was vehemently against it.