MJ calls what happened to her in Zion national park “small ‘T’ trauma”. She knows women have experienced worse from their partners. But she still feels the anger of being left behind on a hike by her now ex. “It brings up stuff in my body that maybe I have not cleared out yet,” she said.

Five years ago, MJ and a new partner – he was not exactly her boyfriend, and the pair were not exclusive – traveled from Los Angeles to Utah for an adventure getaway. MJ, who is 38 and works in PR, was looking forward to exploring Zion’s striking scenery; its vast sandstone canyon and pristine wading trails were on the list. But on the morning of their big hike, MJ was not feeling well. She could not shake the feeling that something was “off”; indeed, MJ would learn on this trip that her partner was seeing other women.

As they made their way up Angel’s Landing, MJ’s partner started walking faster than her. “I could tell it was getting on his nerves that I was slow,” she said. “I was like, ‘Fuck it, just go ahead of me.’” He did without hesitation.

When she caught up at the top of the mountain, they took a picture together. Then her partner hiked down the mountain with a woman he had met on the way up, leaving MJ to finish by herself. They broke up shortly after that trip. (MJ asked to be referred to by her initials for the sake of speaking openly about a past relationship.)

Last month, MJ opened TikTok and heard the phrase “alpine divorce”, a label she now attaches to her experience in Zion.

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    I’d agree, and this sounds more of a failure of communication and expectation setting from the get go, from both parties.

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      Why would the woman in the story have to express that she expects her partner to hike with her the whole time?

      Edit: Who are all you men who think that it’s acceptable to abandon your hiking partner while on a hike?? What the fuck is happening here?

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        Because it obviously wasn’t clear to her partner. Instead of assuming, communicate. Women do this often and yes I’m generalizing but men aren’t mind readers. Different people will have different expectations unless you talk and agree.

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          Why didn’t these men communicate to their partner that they no longer wanted to hike with them?

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          How is it not clear that when planning a hike where there is only 2 people, that the assumption is those 2 people stay together unless there’s an emergency?

          That’s the whole issue here, right? Why are these men deciding on their own that they no longer want to hike with these women and are abandoning them on the mountain? Why didn’t these men communicate with their partner?

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            You are again assuming. It’s obvious you shouldn’t. The confusion is your own.

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              No question. But on the spectrum of basic decency, the minimum you owe to another group member from the get-go is as @captainlezbian@lemmy.world laid out; you stick together.

              Why are you telling me that it is not an expectation that hikers stick together while also saying that it is basic decency to stick together on a hike?

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              Do you expect group members on a hike to stick together unless there’s an emergency?

              I asked you a bunch of questions. No assumptions here. Why can’t you answer them?

              Why didn’t any of the men in these stories communicate that they no longer wanted to stick together?