tortured and murdered millions, hundreds of millions of people
You are making up the numbers, proving your ignorance.
I can list a bunch of countries that are relatively free, and have high rates of literacy and strong worker protections, that are not communist (pretty much any developed democracy since the late 20th century)
And you’re going to ignore the hundreds of millions of people enslaved and murdered by western capitalist colonial regimes, because you dont apply the same standards to socialism that you do to capitalism
There is literally no communist country where people are acceptably free and don’t or didn’t want to get out to flee
Bullshit. The Soviet referendum in 1991 proves otherwise, the vast majority of people in socialism wanted to stay in socialism.
I’ll stop reading because you’re just repeating western anticommunist propaganda and you haven’t made 1% of an effort to actually get informed on the topic. Suffice it to say that if ir weren’t for socialism in Europe, the Nazis would have won.
Edit: I see that you were born in a post-Soviet country. You can thank communism for your country to exist as a country and not as a colonized Nazi settlement with you and your family murdered or enslaved :)
Edit: I see that you were born in a post-Soviet country. You can thank communism for your country to exist as a country and not as a colonized Nazi settlement with you and your family murdered or enslaved :)
That is a super fucked-up thing to say. Go thank Ceausescu for committing genocide in Romania (yea, not soviet, but under USSR’s influence)
I don’t know what part seems cruel to you of explaining that the Nazi project, which the Soviets stopped, included the enslavement of genocide of all non-German peoples between Berlin and the Urals, Romania included (sooner or later). Since you’re Romanian, the Soviets also literally saved you from your own fascist regime. I do not wish harm on you or your family, rather the opposite, I’m thanking the Soviets for saving them.
Go thank Ceausescu for committing genocide in Romania
Literally not a thing, stop manufacturing nonexisting genocides. There was repression under Ceausescu, but there was absolutely no genocide. Can you please link me up to what you’re referring to as “genocide”?
As for what the Ceausescu government did in Romania, per data from the Romanian Statistical Review: Between 1950 and 1989, Romania’s GDP grew by 850%. The country went between 1950 and 1989 from being composed of 86% agricultural workers (essentially a feudalist state), to being an industrialized society with 46% of the population working in the industrial sector. This industrial revolution literally turned a nation of starving peasants into a rather modern and industrialized country with infrastructure, guaranteed housing, free education, universal healthcare and guaranteed jobs with no unemployment.
Look at what happened to the population of Romania after Ceausescu:
4 million in population losses… It’s really no wonder that even after 3+ decades of anticommunist propaganda, the majority of Romanians still view Ceausescu as a good leader and believe that life was better in socialist Romania.
By 1989 Romanians were starving. Supermarket shelves were empty. Money meant nothing.
And, hey, where were all the disabled people? Can you find one? You can’t. He put them away, like the nazis. One of the “disabilities” the regime treated in their institutions? Not being white. That’s right. Being part of an ethnic minority was considered a disability. Remind you of a certain Adolf?
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1044207311394853
Political opposition? Freedom of speech? None of that. My uncle can attest to that. Oh wait, he can’t. He spoke ill of the regime while in compulsory military training and they “took care” of him. But maybe my grandfather can tell you about his career as a police officer-ohnowait he got canned for not being loyal enough to the regime and had to move his family from the city to a remote village.
Healthcare? Let’s ask my aunt. Oh shit, wait, we can’t. She died at 5 of pneumonia cause there were no doctors in her village and no medication at the hospital.
How about that housing? Did you know people had wood burners in their apartments cause there was no heating?
What about the blackouts? Power went out daily for hours.
Industry? Pollution. My parents worked in a coal-burning power plant. Romania’s energy was 47% renewable last year.
Fuck you know. You know nothing. You’re just some propagandist on the internet. My parents lived through it themselves and I live in Romania today. I moved back to it from London. Cause that trend of people emigrating is reversing now thanks to investments from the EU. What you’re seeing there is Romania joining the EU. You see those last few dots there? See how flat that line is? You don’t know shit. Ceausescu’s isolationism has nothing on that.
EDIT: Oh and one more thing. Just cause the soviets fought the nazis doesn’t make them good. They didn’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union
You may recognize some of those territories as territories Putin is currently trying to regain. I don’t suppose you like him too.
Your arguments are so weak I didn’t even get mad. I’d call it ragebait but it’s not even that. It’s like you got high, listened to a really trashy music album and thought it was the best thing you ever heard. In fact, I resent you for wasting my time, making me type up all this stuff that other people know or don’t need to be told.
EDIT 2: This is how you know the left is better than the right. Even our extremists are higher quality. Theirs are unintelligible. At least ours write full paragraphs instead of ragebait catchphrases
So half the growth rate lmao. About 4% yearly during the socialist period and 2% during the capitalist period. Not looking great for your argument, especially when you consider that the distribution of wealth is abysmally worse now and the poor people get fucked while the rich take 90% of the wealth.
By 1989 Romanians were starving. Supermarket shelves were empty. Money meant nothing.
You’re confusing the post-communist inflation period with actual socialism. You know, the point when people lost their jobs, when the industry of the country was dismantled, when the rural infrastructure was left to crumble, and when people had to massively start leaving the country!
And, hey, where were all the disabled people?
That’s good and honest criticism, thanks for bringing it up. I wasn’t aware of the treatment of people with disabilities in socialist Romania, and it’s good that you showed me the article about it. You see, that’s how you do criticism, not by making up nonexistent genocides.
Political opposition? Freedom of speech? None of that
Dude, I live in Spain. There has recently been a plot that destroyed the leftist party Podemos in Spain by cops manufacturing false documents of funding by Venezuela and Iran, and leaking those fake documents to all media, which echoed it incessantly for years until it was proven fake. Before that, we had the GAL, a secret paramilitary corps of the ministry of internal affairs that was murdering pro-independence Basque activists and tossing their corpses in lye to melt the evidence.
My uncle can attest to that. Oh wait, he can’t. He spoke ill of the regime while in compulsory military training and they “took care” of him.
Wow, almost as if that’s the history of countries with a fascist past! My great grandfather got murdered by the reds behind the frontlines on the civil war, and I’m not praising Franco for killing the reds. You know what? Because my great grandfather was fascist scum and he likely deserved it! Romania also has a fascist past, and it was necessary to rid the country of fascist elements.
But maybe my grandfather can tell you about his career as a police officer-ohnowait he got canned
Oh, your grandfather got canned for having a dissenting political opinion in the police, something that totally doesnt happen at all with modern police in Europe aye? Ffs my cousin is a cop and he’s constantly harassed for being a leftist, and communists are systematically purged of public life and employments for the sin of being reds. Get off your high horse and look at the current reality.
Healthcare? Let’s ask my aunt. Oh shit, wait, we can’t. She died at 5 of pneumonia cause there were no doctors in her village
Surely she would have survived her pneumonia if the USSR had allowed the fascists to remain in government in s fucking backwards peasant country, huh? Dude, you’re blaming communism for the lack of medicine in a fucking village in 1970, in a country they industrialized themselves. If it weren’t for the communists, your aunt wouldn’t even have been born because the Nazis would have ethnically cleansed your homeland!
Industry? Pollution
Oh you’re right, Romania should have invented solar photovoltaic modules in 1955, totally communism’s fault that they didn’t! You’re ridiculous! You can also thank Chinese communism for Romania’s 47% of renewables, I bet half of that is achieved with solar panels, of which China manufactures 95% of the world’s supply! And likely another significant part of that 47% comes from hydroelectric stations from the communist times of Romania ;)
My parents lived through it themselves and I live in Romania today
So capitalism literally uprooted your family from your homeland for 30 years and you’re still licking the boot? That’s absurd levels of cognitive dissonance! Your family literally had to leave the fucking country because of the horrifying 1990s capitalist crisis, and only now can you move back to a somewhat stable Romania (likely highly educated and in a high paying service sector job of the top 10% of the population, correct me otherwise) being one of the few wealthy people enjoying the fruits of someone else’s labor in capitalism.
If you do more research you may have one or two more revelations when it comes to Romania
The wealthy are not taking 90% in Romania. If the far-right and right keeps growing though… maybe. Same goes for the MAGA-friendly socially conservative kleptocratic social-democrat-in-name-only party we have here. There’s a new green social-democrat party that’s the real deal. It’s growing. Fingers crossed. I don’t think we need communism to keep things in check. A solid social-democrat party with a few democratic socialists here and there should do just fine. If the country goes far-right though… we’re fucked.
The thing about supermarkets being empty is real. That was literally one of the things that triggered the revolution. People tend to stay put if their basic needs are met, which is exactly what the communist regime promised to do and did not. Ceausescu sucked at socialism, basically, if you wanna put it that way. He ran the country like a business and didn’t care about the employees. He only cared about himself and his oligarch friends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_austerity_policy_in_Romania
My uncle was not a fascist. Far from it. Look at who MAGA calls terrorists and “radical far-left lunatics” these days. It was like that. If you disagreed with them, you were a “fascist”.
What my grandfather did was he refused to beat up a guy for information. He was just a regular cop in a small city. Just a guy who needed a job. He didn’t want to play a part in political oppression. That’s how he got fired.
My family didn’t leave Romania. I did. And they’ve been fine. I left for university. I did Film & TV in the UK cause I liked English-language entertainment.
As for other people being uprooted… People didn’t leave Romania in its communist years because they weren’t allowed to, not cause they liked communism. Plenty escaped. Much like North Korea today.
Also, you keep using socialism and communism like they’re synonyms. They’re not. I’m down with democratic socialism. I am not down with the clusterfuck of oppression and poverty that was the Ceausescu regime. If you feel the same, I’d kindly suggest you don’t associate with it either, cause it is a bottomless can of worms. The more you read, the more shocking it gets. And that goes for plenty other figures of the 20th century. This new generation of progressive democratic socialists is a completely different and much better thing.
Brother the gini coefficient in Romania is 34 and in Russia it’s 35, you are at Russian levels of kleptocracy…
There’s a new green social-democrat party that’s the real deal. It’s growing. Fingers crossed
Keep them crossed lmao those parties are de facto forbidden in Europe. Mark my words: the party will be disintegrated in 10 years. It happened in Spain with Podemos (type of party you’re supporting), it happened in Greece with Syriza… You’re 10 years late to the party, the EU will literally not allow for anything left of corrupt socdems. Mark my words for when in 5-10 years your party is all but forgotten. Electoralism does not work.
The thing about supermarkets being empty is real. That was literally one of the things that triggered the revolution
Sure, the supermarkets got empty in all of the eastern block at the same time, thats why all countries abandoned socialism. I’m aware of the austerity policy in the 1980s, but that’s not because of oligarchy, it’s because Romania took on debt to further invest on its industrial sector, and had to pay back the debt. It caused inflation, but the real shit happened in the 1990s, because capitalism destroyed the economy. Wealth inequality skyrocketed, you complain about oligarchs but it’s literally an order of magnitude now than before. Please, since you speak Romanian, try and find numerical information of wealth inequality in 1975 vs 2025.
What my grandfather did was he refused to beat up a guy for information. He was just a regular cop in a small city
That’s literally cops everywhere. ACAB exists in the west, too. The good souls are kicked out of the police or corrupted.
You are making up the numbers, proving your ignorance.
And you’re going to ignore the hundreds of millions of people enslaved and murdered by western capitalist colonial regimes, because you dont apply the same standards to socialism that you do to capitalism
Bullshit. The Soviet referendum in 1991 proves otherwise, the vast majority of people in socialism wanted to stay in socialism.
I’ll stop reading because you’re just repeating western anticommunist propaganda and you haven’t made 1% of an effort to actually get informed on the topic. Suffice it to say that if ir weren’t for socialism in Europe, the Nazis would have won.
Edit: I see that you were born in a post-Soviet country. You can thank communism for your country to exist as a country and not as a colonized Nazi settlement with you and your family murdered or enslaved :)
That is a super fucked-up thing to say. Go thank Ceausescu for committing genocide in Romania (yea, not soviet, but under USSR’s influence)
What
The
Fuck
I don’t know what part seems cruel to you of explaining that the Nazi project, which the Soviets stopped, included the enslavement of genocide of all non-German peoples between Berlin and the Urals, Romania included (sooner or later). Since you’re Romanian, the Soviets also literally saved you from your own fascist regime. I do not wish harm on you or your family, rather the opposite, I’m thanking the Soviets for saving them.
Literally not a thing, stop manufacturing nonexisting genocides. There was repression under Ceausescu, but there was absolutely no genocide. Can you please link me up to what you’re referring to as “genocide”?
As for what the Ceausescu government did in Romania, per data from the Romanian Statistical Review: Between 1950 and 1989, Romania’s GDP grew by 850%. The country went between 1950 and 1989 from being composed of 86% agricultural workers (essentially a feudalist state), to being an industrialized society with 46% of the population working in the industrial sector. This industrial revolution literally turned a nation of starving peasants into a rather modern and industrialized country with infrastructure, guaranteed housing, free education, universal healthcare and guaranteed jobs with no unemployment.
Look at what happened to the population of Romania after Ceausescu:
4 million in population losses… It’s really no wonder that even after 3+ decades of anticommunist propaganda, the majority of Romanians still view Ceausescu as a good leader and believe that life was better in socialist Romania.
Romania’s GDP grew 550% from 1989 to 2026. See? I can do that do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Romania
By 1989 Romanians were starving. Supermarket shelves were empty. Money meant nothing.
And, hey, where were all the disabled people? Can you find one? You can’t. He put them away, like the nazis. One of the “disabilities” the regime treated in their institutions? Not being white. That’s right. Being part of an ethnic minority was considered a disability. Remind you of a certain Adolf? https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1044207311394853
Political opposition? Freedom of speech? None of that. My uncle can attest to that. Oh wait, he can’t. He spoke ill of the regime while in compulsory military training and they “took care” of him. But maybe my grandfather can tell you about his career as a police officer-ohnowait he got canned for not being loyal enough to the regime and had to move his family from the city to a remote village.
Healthcare? Let’s ask my aunt. Oh shit, wait, we can’t. She died at 5 of pneumonia cause there were no doctors in her village and no medication at the hospital.
How about that housing? Did you know people had wood burners in their apartments cause there was no heating? What about the blackouts? Power went out daily for hours.
Industry? Pollution. My parents worked in a coal-burning power plant. Romania’s energy was 47% renewable last year.
Fuck you know. You know nothing. You’re just some propagandist on the internet. My parents lived through it themselves and I live in Romania today. I moved back to it from London. Cause that trend of people emigrating is reversing now thanks to investments from the EU. What you’re seeing there is Romania joining the EU. You see those last few dots there? See how flat that line is? You don’t know shit. Ceausescu’s isolationism has nothing on that.
EDIT: Oh and one more thing. Just cause the soviets fought the nazis doesn’t make them good. They didn’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union You may recognize some of those territories as territories Putin is currently trying to regain. I don’t suppose you like him too.
Your arguments are so weak I didn’t even get mad. I’d call it ragebait but it’s not even that. It’s like you got high, listened to a really trashy music album and thought it was the best thing you ever heard. In fact, I resent you for wasting my time, making me type up all this stuff that other people know or don’t need to be told.
EDIT 2: This is how you know the left is better than the right. Even our extremists are higher quality. Theirs are unintelligible. At least ours write full paragraphs instead of ragebait catchphrases
So half the growth rate lmao. About 4% yearly during the socialist period and 2% during the capitalist period. Not looking great for your argument, especially when you consider that the distribution of wealth is abysmally worse now and the poor people get fucked while the rich take 90% of the wealth.
You’re confusing the post-communist inflation period with actual socialism. You know, the point when people lost their jobs, when the industry of the country was dismantled, when the rural infrastructure was left to crumble, and when people had to massively start leaving the country!
That’s good and honest criticism, thanks for bringing it up. I wasn’t aware of the treatment of people with disabilities in socialist Romania, and it’s good that you showed me the article about it. You see, that’s how you do criticism, not by making up nonexistent genocides.
Dude, I live in Spain. There has recently been a plot that destroyed the leftist party Podemos in Spain by cops manufacturing false documents of funding by Venezuela and Iran, and leaking those fake documents to all media, which echoed it incessantly for years until it was proven fake. Before that, we had the GAL, a secret paramilitary corps of the ministry of internal affairs that was murdering pro-independence Basque activists and tossing their corpses in lye to melt the evidence.
Wow, almost as if that’s the history of countries with a fascist past! My great grandfather got murdered by the reds behind the frontlines on the civil war, and I’m not praising Franco for killing the reds. You know what? Because my great grandfather was fascist scum and he likely deserved it! Romania also has a fascist past, and it was necessary to rid the country of fascist elements.
Oh, your grandfather got canned for having a dissenting political opinion in the police, something that totally doesnt happen at all with modern police in Europe aye? Ffs my cousin is a cop and he’s constantly harassed for being a leftist, and communists are systematically purged of public life and employments for the sin of being reds. Get off your high horse and look at the current reality.
Surely she would have survived her pneumonia if the USSR had allowed the fascists to remain in government in s fucking backwards peasant country, huh? Dude, you’re blaming communism for the lack of medicine in a fucking village in 1970, in a country they industrialized themselves. If it weren’t for the communists, your aunt wouldn’t even have been born because the Nazis would have ethnically cleansed your homeland!
Oh you’re right, Romania should have invented solar photovoltaic modules in 1955, totally communism’s fault that they didn’t! You’re ridiculous! You can also thank Chinese communism for Romania’s 47% of renewables, I bet half of that is achieved with solar panels, of which China manufactures 95% of the world’s supply! And likely another significant part of that 47% comes from hydroelectric stations from the communist times of Romania ;)
So capitalism literally uprooted your family from your homeland for 30 years and you’re still licking the boot? That’s absurd levels of cognitive dissonance! Your family literally had to leave the fucking country because of the horrifying 1990s capitalist crisis, and only now can you move back to a somewhat stable Romania (likely highly educated and in a high paying service sector job of the top 10% of the population, correct me otherwise) being one of the few wealthy people enjoying the fruits of someone else’s labor in capitalism.
If you do more research you may have one or two more revelations when it comes to Romania
The wealthy are not taking 90% in Romania. If the far-right and right keeps growing though… maybe. Same goes for the MAGA-friendly socially conservative kleptocratic social-democrat-in-name-only party we have here. There’s a new green social-democrat party that’s the real deal. It’s growing. Fingers crossed. I don’t think we need communism to keep things in check. A solid social-democrat party with a few democratic socialists here and there should do just fine. If the country goes far-right though… we’re fucked.
The thing about supermarkets being empty is real. That was literally one of the things that triggered the revolution. People tend to stay put if their basic needs are met, which is exactly what the communist regime promised to do and did not. Ceausescu sucked at socialism, basically, if you wanna put it that way. He ran the country like a business and didn’t care about the employees. He only cared about himself and his oligarch friends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_austerity_policy_in_Romania
My uncle was not a fascist. Far from it. Look at who MAGA calls terrorists and “radical far-left lunatics” these days. It was like that. If you disagreed with them, you were a “fascist”.
What my grandfather did was he refused to beat up a guy for information. He was just a regular cop in a small city. Just a guy who needed a job. He didn’t want to play a part in political oppression. That’s how he got fired.
My family didn’t leave Romania. I did. And they’ve been fine. I left for university. I did Film & TV in the UK cause I liked English-language entertainment. As for other people being uprooted… People didn’t leave Romania in its communist years because they weren’t allowed to, not cause they liked communism. Plenty escaped. Much like North Korea today.
Also, you keep using socialism and communism like they’re synonyms. They’re not. I’m down with democratic socialism. I am not down with the clusterfuck of oppression and poverty that was the Ceausescu regime. If you feel the same, I’d kindly suggest you don’t associate with it either, cause it is a bottomless can of worms. The more you read, the more shocking it gets. And that goes for plenty other figures of the 20th century. This new generation of progressive democratic socialists is a completely different and much better thing.
(Edited a thing or two for clarity)
Brother the gini coefficient in Romania is 34 and in Russia it’s 35, you are at Russian levels of kleptocracy…
Keep them crossed lmao those parties are de facto forbidden in Europe. Mark my words: the party will be disintegrated in 10 years. It happened in Spain with Podemos (type of party you’re supporting), it happened in Greece with Syriza… You’re 10 years late to the party, the EU will literally not allow for anything left of corrupt socdems. Mark my words for when in 5-10 years your party is all but forgotten. Electoralism does not work.
Sure, the supermarkets got empty in all of the eastern block at the same time, thats why all countries abandoned socialism. I’m aware of the austerity policy in the 1980s, but that’s not because of oligarchy, it’s because Romania took on debt to further invest on its industrial sector, and had to pay back the debt. It caused inflation, but the real shit happened in the 1990s, because capitalism destroyed the economy. Wealth inequality skyrocketed, you complain about oligarchs but it’s literally an order of magnitude now than before. Please, since you speak Romanian, try and find numerical information of wealth inequality in 1975 vs 2025.
That’s literally cops everywhere. ACAB exists in the west, too. The good souls are kicked out of the police or corrupted.
Your brain is washed squeaky clean
Enjoy your “revolution” that you will defo do from your mom’s basement
Lmao Romania just accepted to host US aircraft to bomb Iran. Tell me again how moral and good capitalist Romania is
Talk to me in 10 years when you experience the EU"s systematic destruction of leftist parties and the rise of the far-right