When I worked at Apple, I remember seeing code that was 15 years old. Every file had a comment at the top with the date and the author’s name. You’d open a file and read through it, sometimes touching a feature no one had touched in a decade.
Everything felt very permanent, like
Well, the latter part of the post seems to imply that he thinks AI makes these metaphorical houses better and faster, and that the bricks are just a nostalgic relic that isn’t useful anymore.
Yeah, that’s the sad part. The author seems to understand that something important has been lost, but they’ve been so blinded by the speed and ‘magic’ of agentic coding that they can’t put into words what’s missing or why.
Like so many engineers-turned-AI-babysitters, they probably no longer understand any of the code they’re responsible for.
Like so many engineers-turned-AI-babysitters, they probably no longer understand any of the code they’re responsible for.
Very accurate statement as someone that contracts as a “glorified ai slop code reviewer” and it’s sad how quickly it happened.
junior devs/fresh grads couldn’t tell you how any of the stuff they “build” works anyways but what I’ve found shocking is senior level devs that have either simply forgotten how the code works or just don’t care anymore. They fully embraced and drank the Agentic Kool-Aid that they’ve allowed their skill set to dwindle. And I’d say the vast majority of those devs just don’t care anymore.
It’s so bad now I personally have felt guilty simply using fish as my shell. sure it has NOTHING to do with LLMs but I found myself relying too much on the autocomplete that I moved back to just straight up plain bash so I would force myself to remember stuff. I don’t want to have to rely on a tool to do the work for me.
junior devs/fresh grads couldn’t tell you how any of the stuff they “build” works anyways but what I’ve found shocking is senior level devs that have either simply forgotten how the code works or just don’t care anymore. They fully embraced and drank the Agentic Kool-Aid that they’ve allowed their skill set to dwindle. And I’d say the vast majority of those devs just don’t care anymore.
Reject their MRs. Point out the shit code. Find the shit they missed and didn’t read. Force them to make it digestible and understandable. I am sure my team isn’t happy when I review their MRs because I always catch the shit they missed. Use the clankers, fine, but you better god damn know every single line. What? Can’t do that? That’s too hard? No one reads every line? Bruh, I do. Every. Single. Fucking. Line. Don’t use the clanker if you can’t do that. No clanker privileges for you. Clankers are fucking magic, but they aren’t a replacement for understanding.
I’ve had a long career of quickly grokking large systems. Reading endless amounts of code. Reading my dependencies’ code. Reading my dependencies’ dependencies’ code. The job, software engineering, the vast majority of the time is maintenance, growth on top of an existing thing. You must read code. You must understand how everything works under the hood so that you can properly model shit. That is the fucking job. Clankers write a lot of code. git gud at reading it because it will absolutely slip in some sloppy shit you do not want going to prod.
If you can’t be bothered to read - or even just skim - a linked post, then don’t bother to comment. You’re adding nothing to the discussion and making yourself look wilfully ignorant.
Communities require effort from participants to avoid devolving into slop, AI or otherwise. Relying on someone else’s summary is letting someone else do the thinking for you, and commenting without even reading a summary is even more thoughtless. The only real way to participate is to click the links you avoided, and that’s the way it should be; it’s the bare minimum level of effort required - the price of admission, if you will. If we want our presence to be a benefit to the community we’re all a part of, we need to educate ourselves on the topic we’re discussing, at least slightly.
It is 1 person spends 5 min vs dozens/hundreds of people spending a few seconds of a lot or damn posts, and often finding out they wasted their time because there was no summary.
You can give me as many dislikes as you want, it wont change this
I won’t argue any more than to implore you to get into the habit of spending time on what’s important. Humanity is apathetic and stupid enough without us being too lazy to even read a single un-summarized tweet.
As opposed to the high-value “didn’t read, commented anyways based on the vibes of the title of the post”, who clearly contribute massive value to the community
That was the point of the authors post. Did you read it?
Well, the latter part of the post seems to imply that he thinks AI makes these metaphorical houses better and faster, and that the bricks are just a nostalgic relic that isn’t useful anymore.
Yeah, that’s the sad part. The author seems to understand that something important has been lost, but they’ve been so blinded by the speed and ‘magic’ of agentic coding that they can’t put into words what’s missing or why.
Like so many engineers-turned-AI-babysitters, they probably no longer understand any of the code they’re responsible for.
Very accurate statement as someone that contracts as a “glorified ai slop code reviewer” and it’s sad how quickly it happened.
junior devs/fresh grads couldn’t tell you how any of the stuff they “build” works anyways but what I’ve found shocking is senior level devs that have either simply forgotten how the code works or just don’t care anymore. They fully embraced and drank the Agentic Kool-Aid that they’ve allowed their skill set to dwindle. And I’d say the vast majority of those devs just don’t care anymore.
It’s so bad now I personally have felt guilty simply using fish as my shell. sure it has NOTHING to do with LLMs but I found myself relying too much on the autocomplete that I moved back to just straight up plain bash so I would force myself to remember stuff. I don’t want to have to rely on a tool to do the work for me.
Reject their MRs. Point out the shit code. Find the shit they missed and didn’t read. Force them to make it digestible and understandable. I am sure my team isn’t happy when I review their MRs because I always catch the shit they missed. Use the clankers, fine, but you better god damn know every single line. What? Can’t do that? That’s too hard? No one reads every line? Bruh, I do. Every. Single. Fucking. Line. Don’t use the clanker if you can’t do that. No clanker privileges for you. Clankers are fucking magic, but they aren’t a replacement for understanding.
I’ve had a long career of quickly grokking large systems. Reading endless amounts of code. Reading my dependencies’ code. Reading my dependencies’ dependencies’ code. The job, software engineering, the vast majority of the time is maintenance, growth on top of an existing thing. You must read code. You must understand how everything works under the hood so that you can properly model shit. That is the fucking job. Clankers write a lot of code. git gud at reading it because it will absolutely slip in some sloppy shit you do not want going to prod.
He doesnt know we’re seeing the death of craft.
Good question, and even better answer:
Nobody has time or can be arses to click some links every 2 minutes
At least a summary should have been included
And it also said Twitter, and in my exeprience it doesnt let you read posts until you create an account and log in??
If you can’t be bothered to read - or even just skim - a linked post, then don’t bother to comment. You’re adding nothing to the discussion and making yourself look wilfully ignorant.
Like I said: people who dont post a summary on Lemmy dont add anything to the community.
You have almost 0 information on lemmy, its pretty much just “HERES THE LINK, CLICK ON IT”
Communities require effort from participants to avoid devolving into slop, AI or otherwise. Relying on someone else’s summary is letting someone else do the thinking for you, and commenting without even reading a summary is even more thoughtless. The only real way to participate is to click the links you avoided, and that’s the way it should be; it’s the bare minimum level of effort required - the price of admission, if you will. If we want our presence to be a benefit to the community we’re all a part of, we need to educate ourselves on the topic we’re discussing, at least slightly.
Well, I disagree.
Quality posts should have summaries.
It is 1 person spends 5 min vs dozens/hundreds of people spending a few seconds of a lot or damn posts, and often finding out they wasted their time because there was no summary.
You can give me as many dislikes as you want, it wont change this
I won’t argue any more than to implore you to get into the habit of spending time on what’s important. Humanity is apathetic and stupid enough without us being too lazy to even read a single un-summarized tweet.
(continuing my last reply)
For example this is MY ideal post type (obviously not yours):
https://fedinsfw.app/post/682538
Dont worry its not nsfw, its just the instance im on
Thee is no arguing, we obviously have different beliefes as to what ‘ideal posting’ looks like, to each their own :)
As opposed to the high-value “didn’t read, commented anyways based on the vibes of the title of the post”, who clearly contribute massive value to the community
None of the posts here have summaries - this community is for a bot reposting from the Hacker News RSS feed.
So not only do you not bother reading posts before commenting, you don’t even know what community you’re posting to?