I’m not a fan of the Russian government, but let’s stick to the facts. The biggest reason why the democrats lost is because they didn’t give most people a reason to care to vote, they didn’t listen to their more popular base on things like healthcare and a certain genocide as that could push away their corporate donors, and they promised continuity with an impopular administration that had the bad luck of governing during most of the economic hardship of the pandemic. Still, they could have done a decent campaign and ran on more popular policy.
Obviously powerful countries do try to influence elections to a degree, but the idea that Trump only won because of Russian interference has been disproven already.
No it hasn’t been disproven. Trump needed every bit of help he got to win. The disinformation campaigns from Russia and the tech billionaires were key to Trump winning in 2024. In fact the last batch of shit Trump released trying to show the 2020 election was stolen showed that Russia was trying to help him get elected.
Trump’s numbers were more or less constant for the last two election cycles, but look at the difference in voters between Biden and Harris in the same two elections.
Yeah and without the disinformation campaigns from the tech ceos money (mostly Musk) and Russia the numbers would have not been like that. Acting like the failures of democrats are the sole reason the election turned out the way it did is ignorant as hell. Many things contributed to the way the past three elections turned out and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that shows Russia was running disinformation campaigns for Trump.
I didn’t say it was the sole reason, rather that it is measurable and clear as day (look at the difference in the number of voters between the last two US presidential elections). You don’t need foreign actors to explain why democrat voters didn’t bother to show up.
You’re really dismissing the reality that the biggest reason dems didn’t show was because the troll farms and their disinformation/amplofication worked.
Or do you just not understand? Because that’s fine too. That just means it worked on you.
Let me clarify. They didn’t just hype up the red guy. They also drowned out the blue gal. A lot of the “both sides” talk, all of the “but muh genocide” abstaining voters…some, sure, were real, but most of those that were, were pushed there by the bot farms.
Propaganda isn’t just glorifying the leader. The other real important part is inhibiting the opposition.
They all knew, and continue to know, that they didn’t have to get people to vote for Trump. That’s a fools errand. Most everybodies mind was made up about him well the elections.
But keeping people from voting for Harris is just as effective. Because ultimately the winner has to be one of the two parties. We can hem and haw all we want about the need for third parties (and that’s totally true), but the fact is that it will always be a two party system until the voting system get fixed, and it will always be the same two parties until one inevitably implodes on itself and re-brands. Republicans are very much aware that the easiest way to win isn’t to attract voters, but to disuade people who vote against them.
They gave up the honey a long time ago, and they’ve gone all-in on vinegar.
They are not mutually exclusive things but you are treating them as such. Democrats didn’t show up enough AND there were multiple disinformation campaigns going on that not only got Trump more voters but also convinced others not to vote at all.
This is all well documented stuff. You are acting like none of that exists.
I’m not a fan of the Russian government, but let’s stick to the facts. The biggest reason why the democrats lost is because they didn’t give most people a reason to care to vote, they didn’t listen to their more popular base on things like healthcare and a certain genocide as that could push away their corporate donors, and they promised continuity with an impopular administration that had the bad luck of governing during most of the economic hardship of the pandemic. Still, they could have done a decent campaign and ran on more popular policy.
Obviously powerful countries do try to influence elections to a degree, but the idea that Trump only won because of Russian interference has been disproven already.
Let’s stick to reality tho…neither did Republicans. Troll farms did, and people bought it hook, line, and sinker.
No it hasn’t been disproven. Trump needed every bit of help he got to win. The disinformation campaigns from Russia and the tech billionaires were key to Trump winning in 2024. In fact the last batch of shit Trump released trying to show the 2020 election was stolen showed that Russia was trying to help him get elected.
Trump’s numbers were more or less constant for the last two election cycles, but look at the difference in voters between Biden and Harris in the same two elections.
Yeah and without the disinformation campaigns from the tech ceos money (mostly Musk) and Russia the numbers would have not been like that. Acting like the failures of democrats are the sole reason the election turned out the way it did is ignorant as hell. Many things contributed to the way the past three elections turned out and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that shows Russia was running disinformation campaigns for Trump.
I didn’t say it was the sole reason, rather that it is measurable and clear as day (look at the difference in the number of voters between the last two US presidential elections). You don’t need foreign actors to explain why democrat voters didn’t bother to show up.
You’re really dismissing the reality that the biggest reason dems didn’t show was because the troll farms and their disinformation/amplofication worked.
Or do you just not understand? Because that’s fine too. That just means it worked on you.
Let me clarify. They didn’t just hype up the red guy. They also drowned out the blue gal. A lot of the “both sides” talk, all of the “but muh genocide” abstaining voters…some, sure, were real, but most of those that were, were pushed there by the bot farms.
Propaganda isn’t just glorifying the leader. The other real important part is inhibiting the opposition.
They all knew, and continue to know, that they didn’t have to get people to vote for Trump. That’s a fools errand. Most everybodies mind was made up about him well the elections.
But keeping people from voting for Harris is just as effective. Because ultimately the winner has to be one of the two parties. We can hem and haw all we want about the need for third parties (and that’s totally true), but the fact is that it will always be a two party system until the voting system get fixed, and it will always be the same two parties until one inevitably implodes on itself and re-brands. Republicans are very much aware that the easiest way to win isn’t to attract voters, but to disuade people who vote against them.
They gave up the honey a long time ago, and they’ve gone all-in on vinegar.
They are not mutually exclusive things but you are treating them as such. Democrats didn’t show up enough AND there were multiple disinformation campaigns going on that not only got Trump more voters but also convinced others not to vote at all.
This is all well documented stuff. You are acting like none of that exists.