this was why everyone’s top priority should have been keeping trump out of office
now we have genocide in gaza AND cuba AND iran
and that’s ignoring the absolute clusterfuckastrophe happening in every aspect of life (including genocide) inside the usa for everyone who isn’t a billionaire
yeah exactly the democrats should’ve focused on beating trump instead of lying about biden’s fitness, instead of not having a primary, and instead of refusing our demand that they not support fucking genocide
Yeah basically this; like I didn’t think it took much intelligence to figure that convincing one or two human beings to change their actions would be monumentally easier than trying to convince literal millions; I thought it was basic math but apparently this is calculus level stuff here
this was why everyone’s top priority should have been keeping trump out of office
Shame it couldn’t have been Kamala’s top priority.
Also a shame everyone expended their energy trying to convince millions to ignore Kamala and Biden’s support for Israel rather than convince just two human beings to just stop.
Also let’s be honest here, you don’t believe a word you’re saying; if we were supposed to overlook Kamala’s insistence on supporting the genocide, then why not just let Biden continue running for office? Who cares if he’s senile? I thought the idea was to make sure someone else wins the presidency, right? Like, it’s okay to be discerning when the candidate is senile, but not when they’re partners in genocide?
the department of education is wrecked. the CDC is wrecked. the EPA is wrecked. the FDA, DHS, FBI–literally every part of the government–no, they weren’t “good” before, but now they’re literally nothing more than trump’s playthings run by technofascist henchmen whose only qualification is unwavering blind loyalty to pantshitter-in-chief.
yes, president kamala = genocide in gaza. but again, trump = genocide in gaza AND cuba AND iran AND fascist amerikkka
you can keep throwing out these arguments against voting against trump until you’re blue in the face, and i’ll keep shitting on them. your turn
You can keep trying to convince yourself you were fighting the good fight by voting for genocidal zionists (because you ain’t convincing anyone else). I hope it keeps you up at night knowing that literal genocide is not a red line for you.
i voted against trump. i sleep fine. i couldn’t care less whether you believe me or not. but you’re not going to sit there and say i don’t believe myself
there is absolutely ZERO path to improving anything under an R government
edit: by the way, i think you should know: the united states of america will NEVER stop fellating israel, no matter who is president
you’re not going to sit there and say i don’t believe myself
If you did, you would’ve addressed what I said, but you didn’t because you don’t.
Also a shame everyone expended their energy trying to convince millions to ignore Kamala and Biden’s support for Israel rather than convince just two human beings to just stop.
Also let’s be honest here, you don’t believe a word you’re saying; if we were supposed to overlook Kamala’s insistence on supporting the genocide, then why not just let Biden continue running for office? Who cares if he’s senile? I thought the idea was to make sure someone else wins the presidency, right? Like, it’s okay to be discerning when the candidate is senile, but not when they’re partners in genocide?
Why didn’t you all focus all that energy on convincing Biden and Kamala to just stop? If Trump winning was all that mattered then why did Biden need to drop out? Who cares if he’s senile, the idea was that anyone but Trump should win, right? Everyone should vote for a senile old man just so Trump loses, right?
People should care more about the people in their country than one across the world. American leftists should care about other American leftists MORE than a country across the world. Surely you don’t put fucking Gaza above YOU as a person! This is the stupidest fucking argument. If you don’t care about your own neighbor (let’s say they are just like you) then you don’t give a shit about Gaza. You need to help yourself before others. Come the fuck off it.
Surely you don’t put fucking Gaza above YOU as a person!
Really fucking dropping the mask here. The fact you place “your own” people or yourself above others is telling. This is what we are talking about when we mean there is deeply ingrained white supremacy in westerners. You probably typed that out not even thinking how much it makes you sound like a white supremacist and a Nazi.
this was why everyone’s top priority should have been keeping trump out of office
Seems to me that a much better priority would have been keeping anyone from bombing kids. Ya know, like the bombings under Biden, and Obama, and Bush, and Clinton and the Other Bush.
Yeah but the Democratic party wasn’t willing to do literally anything to help with that after destroying everyone to their left over the past century. So here the fuck we are. Sleep in the bed you made or build a time machine, but please shut the fuck up about the failures you inflicted on us.
Oh my god fuck off. Biden presided over this war and the US has been wanting war with Iran for almost 50 years. Trump is not the cause of America’s evil he is a manifestation of it. Trump IS America.
They would’ve been fine with Kamala going to war with Iran, they’re pretending they’re against this war, but they’re only against it because the guy running the war is Trump.
The last time Trump was president they were vocally outraged at the concentration camps that migrants were placed in, but the moment Biden became president they stopped caring, even though the camps were still there and running.
These people are liars; they don’t give a damn about any of this; trying to prove Kamala would’ve also gone to war with Iran is meaningless because they would’ve been fine with HER doing it.
Ah yes the classic “no harm reduction, let’s fucking accelerate because I’m privileged enough (or stupid enough) to imagine I’m immune to what happens in a failed state”
Why is it always the same old bullshit? I am not excusing genocide. A vote for Kamala (or for Biden in 2020, for that matter) is not an excusal of genocide. Anyone with an ounce of understanding knew that Trump would not give a fuck about Gaza in addition to accelerating the US toward being a failed state. It was literally “genocide+fascism” vs “genocide+less fascism”. Easy fucking choice, to take an hour out of your day to choose the choice with less fascism. Objectively harm reduction. But somehow you reactionaries manage to arbitrarily equate a vote with being complicit in genocide. In actual fact, it is not a vote that makes you complicit if you live in this country. It is inaction.
Because while we all make compromises to survive under the current iteration of capitalism, people here would argue voting in support of a party prosecuting a genocide is a bridge too far.
If you think Kamala would have been any better about Iran or Cuba you’re more naive than I thought. In reality you fuckers would be defending the blockade and the war to the death if it wasn’t Trump in office. People like you have been excusing genocide and imperialism my whole life occasionally voicing token opposition if the party you don’t like is doing it. Spare us your self righteousness.
I live in California my vote doesn’t fucking matter and even if it did I would still not vote for genocide with any qualifiers. And yes you are categorically excusing genocide.
But somehow you reactionaries manage to arbitrarily equate a vote with being complicit in genocide.
“Why do people keep pointing out that I supported genocide? They are being such big meanies!”
A vote for Kamala (or for Biden in 2020, for that matter) is not an excusal of genocide.
It’s support for genocide. They were both very clear that they were going to support the genocide, and a vote for them was supportive of that.
Anyone with an ounce of understanding knew that Trump would not give a fuck about Gaza in addition to accelerating the US toward being a failed state.
Correct. Maybe the Democrats should have tried to stop him from winning, instead of handing him the election on a silver platter. Maybe the “electable” and “adults in the room” should have run a serious campaign, instead of the shitshow that we all saw. Maybe they should have listened to the voters.
this was why everyone’s top priority should have been keeping trump out of office
now we have genocide in gaza AND cuba AND iran
and that’s ignoring the absolute clusterfuckastrophe happening in every aspect of life (including genocide) inside the usa for everyone who isn’t a billionaire
yeah exactly the democrats should’ve focused on beating trump instead of lying about biden’s fitness, instead of not having a primary, and instead of refusing our demand that they not support fucking genocide
Yeah basically this; like I didn’t think it took much intelligence to figure that convincing one or two human beings to change their actions would be monumentally easier than trying to convince literal millions; I thought it was basic math but apparently this is calculus level stuff here
He’s what the people wanted, I’m told by people that hate Bernie.
Shame it couldn’t have been Kamala’s top priority.
Also a shame everyone expended their energy trying to convince millions to ignore Kamala and Biden’s support for Israel rather than convince just two human beings to just stop.
Also let’s be honest here, you don’t believe a word you’re saying; if we were supposed to overlook Kamala’s insistence on supporting the genocide, then why not just let Biden continue running for office? Who cares if he’s senile? I thought the idea was to make sure someone else wins the presidency, right? Like, it’s okay to be discerning when the candidate is senile, but not when they’re partners in genocide?
You don’t believe a word you’re saying.
what?
the department of education is wrecked. the CDC is wrecked. the EPA is wrecked. the FDA, DHS, FBI–literally every part of the government–no, they weren’t “good” before, but now they’re literally nothing more than trump’s playthings run by technofascist henchmen whose only qualification is unwavering blind loyalty to pantshitter-in-chief.
yes, president kamala = genocide in gaza. but again, trump = genocide in gaza AND cuba AND iran AND fascist amerikkka
you can keep throwing out these arguments against voting against trump until you’re blue in the face, and i’ll keep shitting on them. your turn
You can keep trying to convince yourself you were fighting the good fight by voting for genocidal zionists (because you ain’t convincing anyone else). I hope it keeps you up at night knowing that literal genocide is not a red line for you.
i voted against trump. i sleep fine. i couldn’t care less whether you believe me or not. but you’re not going to sit there and say i don’t believe myself
there is absolutely ZERO path to improving anything under an R government
edit: by the way, i think you should know: the united states of america will NEVER stop fellating israel, no matter who is president
So close…
If you did, you would’ve addressed what I said, but you didn’t because you don’t.
Why didn’t you all focus all that energy on convincing Biden and Kamala to just stop? If Trump winning was all that mattered then why did Biden need to drop out? Who cares if he’s senile, the idea was that anyone but Trump should win, right? Everyone should vote for a senile old man just so Trump loses, right?
People should care more about the people in their country than one across the world. American leftists should care about other American leftists MORE than a country across the world. Surely you don’t put fucking Gaza above YOU as a person! This is the stupidest fucking argument. If you don’t care about your own neighbor (let’s say they are just like you) then you don’t give a shit about Gaza. You need to help yourself before others. Come the fuck off it.
Nobody is free until we’re all free
Really fucking dropping the mask here. The fact you place “your own” people or yourself above others is telling. This is what we are talking about when we mean there is deeply ingrained white supremacy in westerners. You probably typed that out not even thinking how much it makes you sound like a white supremacist and a Nazi.
My neighbors are all genocidal maniacs, so no 💅
you tell me why bloodthirsty crackers should outweigh the lives of Gazans
Seems to me that a much better priority would have been keeping anyone from bombing kids. Ya know, like the bombings under Biden, and Obama, and Bush, and Clinton and the Other Bush.
Yeah but the Democratic party wasn’t willing to do literally anything to help with that after destroying everyone to their left over the past century. So here the fuck we are. Sleep in the bed you made or build a time machine, but please shut the fuck up about the failures you inflicted on us.
The shield arm of fascism is not an alternative.
Better to have disappointing people in power than genocidal ecocidal bastards…
The policies they explicitly said they would both be doing?
Where’s the option that isn’t all three?
Oh my god fuck off. Biden presided over this war and the US has been wanting war with Iran for almost 50 years. Trump is not the cause of America’s evil he is a manifestation of it. Trump IS America.
LOL wow. i guess good luck with doing…whatever you think the solution is
They would’ve been fine with Kamala going to war with Iran, they’re pretending they’re against this war, but they’re only against it because the guy running the war is Trump.
The last time Trump was president they were vocally outraged at the concentration camps that migrants were placed in, but the moment Biden became president they stopped caring, even though the camps were still there and running.
These people are liars; they don’t give a damn about any of this; trying to prove Kamala would’ve also gone to war with Iran is meaningless because they would’ve been fine with HER doing it.
Ah yes the classic “no harm reduction, let’s fucking accelerate because I’m privileged enough (or stupid enough) to imagine I’m immune to what happens in a failed state”
If your harm reduction includes excusing genocide you need to take a long hard look in the mirror here at who is wrong.
Why is it always the same old bullshit? I am not excusing genocide. A vote for Kamala (or for Biden in 2020, for that matter) is not an excusal of genocide. Anyone with an ounce of understanding knew that Trump would not give a fuck about Gaza in addition to accelerating the US toward being a failed state. It was literally “genocide+fascism” vs “genocide+less fascism”. Easy fucking choice, to take an hour out of your day to choose the choice with less fascism. Objectively harm reduction. But somehow you reactionaries manage to arbitrarily equate a vote with being complicit in genocide. In actual fact, it is not a vote that makes you complicit if you live in this country. It is inaction.
sounds like a country that shouldn’t exist
What does it mean to you to be complicit.
Because while we all make compromises to survive under the current iteration of capitalism, people here would argue voting in support of a party prosecuting a genocide is a bridge too far.
If you think Kamala would have been any better about Iran or Cuba you’re more naive than I thought. In reality you fuckers would be defending the blockade and the war to the death if it wasn’t Trump in office. People like you have been excusing genocide and imperialism my whole life occasionally voicing token opposition if the party you don’t like is doing it. Spare us your self righteousness.
I live in California my vote doesn’t fucking matter and even if it did I would still not vote for genocide with any qualifiers. And yes you are categorically excusing genocide.
“Why do people keep pointing out that I supported genocide? They are being such big meanies!”
It’s support for genocide. They were both very clear that they were going to support the genocide, and a vote for them was supportive of that.
Correct. Maybe the Democrats should have tried to stop him from winning, instead of handing him the election on a silver platter. Maybe the “electable” and “adults in the room” should have run a serious campaign, instead of the shitshow that we all saw. Maybe they should have listened to the voters.
The dems lost because they couldn’t even pretend to put a fig leaf over their support for genocide. Your hypothetical idealism reduces no harm.
Who said we should accelerate? I didn’t see Johnny_Arson say that at all.
It’s always amazing to me how people make up arguments to fight against, rather than addressing the one being made.
Says the person who is ignoring the genocide of Arabs under Biden because you aren’t Arab.
You are inarguably the privileged one.
Are you aware of what ms Rachel is talking about
Weird how the Democrats said they weren’t going to change course on Gaza after choosing their shitty COP instead of having primaries.