Nonsense. I am an open source fan, but I also call it like it is. There are plenty of domains where closed source is still state of the art and open source options are at best inferior, sometimes laughably so. For example
CAD/CAM
Hardware design: simulation, formal verification, etc.
Video editing (Blender’s video sequence editor is so close to being good, but still has basic bugs unfortunately - hopefully in a few years I can take this off the list)
Audio production, like Fruity Loops.
Office software. Sorry but OpenOffice is still not a patch on MS Office. Last time I tried to use it for a presentation it literally reordered my bullet points. Absolutely bizarre bug.
And there’s a whole host of highly domain specific software that open source will never replace because it’s too niche, e.g. Simulink. I once worked on commercial software that solved for elastic wave modes in pipes. Good luck finding open source software to do that.
I use FreeCAD and OpenSCAD when you can write code instead of draw.
Hardware design software is complicated because of hardware patents. For simulation there is Octave, scilab, sympy, einsteinpy and other python projects.
For video there is openshot.
For audio production there is Sonic Pi, strudel, where you write music by writing code. There is also audacity and fluidsynth. The problem is with VST plugins but it’s also problem of standard because VST was created by Steinberg. There is no single software so you need to juggle.
For office there are alternatives like OnlyOffice and fork Euro Office, I’ve seen at least one more office packet from India.
Opensource software have no budget and no money, not to mention marketing budget, people make it to use it and share not to sell it. When company dies you end up with no software if it’s cloud based or some installer on deprecated operating system. With opensource you can always take the source code and port it to new OS. One opensource project dies, some other is building on it’s ashes. You can’t kill it as long as at least one person use it and develops it.
For ex. elastive wave mode solver if you mean dispersion calculator you can load matlab files to Gnu Octave or look up some specific waves by typing above projects I mentioned with github in search.
Of course it’s much harder than just type to google what you want and pay money to company that have marketing division and worked out SEO to be first on list. Especially if you have business income that backs it up and limited time, just pay to get it done. It’s obvious choice. I assume people are sane. But you can pretty much find all the scientific equivalents on univeristy websites or on github if you really put some effort. It won’t be perfect because there was no support that someone paid to solve specific business use case but if you contribute to opensource it will improve and if not you over time someone will do it.
Like someone mentioned the process is much slower but eventually it will always win because it’s not so much tied to money.
FreeCAD is actually pretty good finally to be fair. Still not as good as Solidworks, but definitely usable. I dunno about its CAM capabilities though.
OpenSCAD
Yeah useful if you are making gears, pulleys, fasteners, art etc. Otherwise no. You’re not going to design a fork lift or motorcycle with OpenSCAD.
For simulation there is Octave, scilab, sympy, einsteinpy and other python projects.
I meant SystemVerilog simulation - Questa, Xcelium, VCS, Verilator. Verilator is the only open source option and while it is useful it is very far behind the commercial offerings in many ways.
openshot
Unusuable last time I tried. Blender’s VSE is still better even though it is buggy.
Opensource software have no budget and no money … With opensource you can … You can’t kill it
I wasn’t arguing the merits or flaws of open source. Also just because you can always take the source code and fork it blah blah blah doesn’t mean that actually happens. There are plenty of great open source projects that died because nobody did that. I’m saddest about Dia, which was a really great diagramming tool that is long dead. The modern replacement is Draw.io but that’s no longer open source and has some annoying flaws (e.g. you can’t export rich text to SVG).
Maybe I should use AI to modernise Dia or something. It’s not too bad at that sort of thing.
@FizzyOrange@vane randomly re-ordered your bullet points? as someone who has to use the latest MS office on my work computer that sounds like they nailed acting like MS office to me…word does that ALL the time when I’m trying to review documents, lol
I actually think AI development is going to close a lot of these gaps faster than people think.
And I think the options for audio and office are pretty decent, LibreOffice definitely does all that I need and there’s a healthy community of musicians and audio enthusiasts building things in Linux.
Hardware design and CAD have the additional blockers that they require physical manufacturing and open source hardware has a long, long ways to go. Without an ability to actually produce the physical goods, open source software doesn’t go anywhere. Kind of a bootstrapping problem.
@FizzyOrange@Axolotl_cpp Only reason in favor of MS was OneNote. Then MS cloud lost my Office 2019 files (Oh, your local OneNote files are links to that cloud, so you lose everything).
Using LibreOffice since. Does what is has to do, fast, reliable, never encountered lesser functionality. In my personal cloud. Free. With my own backups. Using Obsidian to replace OneNote.
I mean, it’s something very little that can go un noticed, it’s unrealistic to think that every single bug can be noticed, it doesn’t happen with corporate software, imagine with open source
Indeed, but animating bulleted lists is like the most common thing people do in presentation. The fact that they didn’t notice it… It’s like if your compiler miscompiles printf.
Yes, lots of aspiring electronic music artists do as it seems. Know someone who got an offer from a major label in their genre and FL Studio was one of the tools used to produce those demo tracks IIRC.
It’s attractive because it’s a single purchase rather than a subscription. Of course us mid 90s kids in highschool just pirated it lol
Nonsense. I am an open source fan, but I also call it like it is. There are plenty of domains where closed source is still state of the art and open source options are at best inferior, sometimes laughably so. For example
And there’s a whole host of highly domain specific software that open source will never replace because it’s too niche, e.g. Simulink. I once worked on commercial software that solved for elastic wave modes in pipes. Good luck finding open source software to do that.
Opensource software have no budget and no money, not to mention marketing budget, people make it to use it and share not to sell it. When company dies you end up with no software if it’s cloud based or some installer on deprecated operating system. With opensource you can always take the source code and port it to new OS. One opensource project dies, some other is building on it’s ashes. You can’t kill it as long as at least one person use it and develops it.
For ex. elastive wave mode solver if you mean dispersion calculator you can load matlab files to Gnu Octave or look up some specific waves by typing above projects I mentioned with github in search.
Of course it’s much harder than just type to google what you want and pay money to company that have marketing division and worked out SEO to be first on list. Especially if you have business income that backs it up and limited time, just pay to get it done. It’s obvious choice. I assume people are sane. But you can pretty much find all the scientific equivalents on univeristy websites or on github if you really put some effort. It won’t be perfect because there was no support that someone paid to solve specific business use case but if you contribute to opensource it will improve and if not you over time someone will do it.
Like someone mentioned the process is much slower but eventually it will always win because it’s not so much tied to money.
FreeCAD is actually pretty good finally to be fair. Still not as good as Solidworks, but definitely usable. I dunno about its CAM capabilities though.
Yeah useful if you are making gears, pulleys, fasteners, art etc. Otherwise no. You’re not going to design a fork lift or motorcycle with OpenSCAD.
I meant SystemVerilog simulation - Questa, Xcelium, VCS, Verilator. Verilator is the only open source option and while it is useful it is very far behind the commercial offerings in many ways.
Unusuable last time I tried. Blender’s VSE is still better even though it is buggy.
I wasn’t arguing the merits or flaws of open source. Also just because you can always take the source code and fork it blah blah blah doesn’t mean that actually happens. There are plenty of great open source projects that died because nobody did that. I’m saddest about Dia, which was a really great diagramming tool that is long dead. The modern replacement is Draw.io but that’s no longer open source and has some annoying flaws (e.g. you can’t export rich text to SVG).
Maybe I should use AI to modernise Dia or something. It’s not too bad at that sort of thing.
@vane @FizzyOrange Imho LMMS for music production.
ah yes there is also zrythm and gaida
FreeCAD and OpenSCAD get absolutely trounced by MasterCAM. It isn’t even close.
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@FizzyOrange @vane randomly re-ordered your bullet points? as someone who has to use the latest MS office on my work computer that sounds like they nailed acting like MS office to me…word does that ALL the time when I’m trying to review documents, lol
I actually think AI development is going to close a lot of these gaps faster than people think.
And I think the options for audio and office are pretty decent, LibreOffice definitely does all that I need and there’s a healthy community of musicians and audio enthusiasts building things in Linux.
Hardware design and CAD have the additional blockers that they require physical manufacturing and open source hardware has a long, long ways to go. Without an ability to actually produce the physical goods, open source software doesn’t go anywhere. Kind of a bootstrapping problem.
OpenOffice is dead since Apache owns it, you should look in to OnlyOffice or LibreOffice instead
LibreOffice is just a fork of OpenOffice. I believe I was actually using LibreOffice.
Yeah, but it has been forked in 2010 and Open Office final release was in 2011, there are like 15 years of updates
Ah fair enough. I assumed they kept up with each other. Anyway the point stands - LibreOffice is nowhere near MS Office, or even Google Docs really.
@FizzyOrange @Axolotl_cpp Only reason in favor of MS was OneNote. Then MS cloud lost my Office 2019 files (Oh, your local OneNote files are links to that cloud, so you lose everything).
Using LibreOffice since. Does what is has to do, fast, reliable, never encountered lesser functionality. In my personal cloud. Free. With my own backups. Using Obsidian to replace OneNote.
p.s. Google docs… That’s sarcasm, isn’t it?
I never had any problems tbh, were you on the latest release? It could also have been a one time bug duh
Also, i suggest OnlyOffice it has a nice UI and does some things differently IIRC
A fairly recent version IIRC. May have been a one time bug but it was a pretty hilariously bad one. At the very least it shows poor quality control.
I mean, it’s something very little that can go un noticed, it’s unrealistic to think that every single bug can be noticed, it doesn’t happen with corporate software, imagine with open source
Indeed, but animating bulleted lists is like the most common thing people do in presentation. The fact that they didn’t notice it… It’s like if your compiler miscompiles
printf.people use fruity loops after mid 90s kid highschool era?
Yes, lots of aspiring electronic music artists do as it seems. Know someone who got an offer from a major label in their genre and FL Studio was one of the tools used to produce those demo tracks IIRC.
It’s attractive because it’s a single purchase rather than a subscription. Of course us mid 90s kids in highschool just pirated it lol