You can still use Google wallet if you’re happy to accept Google services in full. Also, Curve has touchless payment that doesn’t require Google’s stuff. You do obviously trade Google for another company to slurp up your data, so it’s not a perfect solution.
It’s still in development but is being built specifically with GrapheneOS in mind. Hopefully we should have a privacy focused tap-to-pay within a year.
It’s no less secure than keeping your phone in your wallet like all but the most paranoid of us do, and it’s more convenient than Google pay. Plus it comes with the benefit of not sharing your purchase history with an ad company, and lets you use a much more secure and private OS. Your call, but seems like an easy choice to me.
Oops meant card. Most people carry their card in their wallet and use a pay app on their phone, so their card can get skimmed if the card is in their phone case or their wallet. While everyone has different risk tolerance, the actual risk of encountering fraud like skimming physical cards in wallets or at the register is small enough to not be a show stopper for most people.
My wallet has blocked RFID signals for the past ten years which has advantages but also sucks when I use to use a bus card or a student id I couldn’t tap my wallet but rifle through it. My city’s buses uses a qr code thingy ready2ride so you scan in with your phone and tickets can now last 3 hours instead of one use which is amazing for grocery shopping or a night out
I installed Graphene on my last phone by using another phone (and a good cable). This time I used a computer (and another good cable), and it worked exactly the same lol (that is, perfectly).
Yup that’s what I read. Need a particular browser according to their guide but that’s easy.
This all reminded me I should pull out my old phone first and make sure that’s logged into Google before I go wiping my primary. I do have backup login codes etc. but never hurts to be prepared.
I dont think you even need that anymore, ive been on graphene for ages though its hard ro remember. I think your phone just needs enough battery or to be on a charger.
This is what I did and do not regret a thing. It takes a few weeks to get used to (especially when coming from iOS), but once you find good open source replacements for daily apps, there’s no going back. The only thing I miss is Apple Pay, but using regular card again is not a huge deal.
I did recently and its been better than I expected. The only real issue was RCS. After 2 years of me not having a Facebook account, my friends finally switched from Facebook’s system to a group text… which broke utterly without RCS.
I had to install Google’s Messages app and fiddle with the native app and Google’s RCS settings and eventually it start working again. I am pretty competent but the support for this seemed to be digging through forum posts and trying a bunch of different solutions unsuccessfully and then having it suddenly work and not knowing why. I hope they manage to get a solution working in the native app.
There are very few people I can convince to switch just because its too hard for them to switch apps depending on who you are talking to.
I rarely interact in chats with these folks and one friend that I’m closest to in that group had basically been acting a repeater for important messages. I didn’t want to, just months after finally having them stop using a group Facebook chat switch to group SMS that included me, bail on them again for an even less common method of communication and make him do that again.
I’ll bring it up in person in a month or two. One of them literally works for Google - not a massive fanboy but prone to occasional defensiveness - so I’m not super hopeful it’ll happen anytime soon.
I was able to get RCS to work on Google Messages easily on GrapheneOS. The issue I had was trying to NOT use RCS. My messages have never been encrypted with iPhone users so I’m using Molly for people that matter anyways, and I was hoping to be able to recieve group texts even though I wasn’t using Google Messages anymore. Nope, could never get it to work. I tried deregistering from RCS on Google’s page, I tried contacting TMobile support, etc. Those group text just disappeared into the ether. So I’m back to Google Messages until Grapheme Messages adds RCS.
If you’re trying to fully De-Google on GrapheneOS one of the thorny issues you have to solve is that push notifications don’t work without Google Play Services. For my primary profile my goal was to have Google Play and Play Services completely disabled.
Molly allows you to select an alternative push notifications setup. I used Sunup which I think uses a Mozilla service and then you set it up with a public MollySocket server and make sure Sunup has unrestricted battery access and then push notifications work reliably without Play Services.
It’s actually really easy nowadays. There’s specific setting in the sandboxed Google play for ICC identification (needed for RCS) and activation/it getting it to work is trivial as long as you use Google messages.
The native RCS app is something they want to do but is far out.
I thought that might have been the setting that did it. Unfortunately, a prompt to change that setting occurred only after about 16 hours of multiple rounds of switching, uninstalling, resetting permissions for, adding permissions to, and clearing data from the Messages app, multiple rounds of turning off RCS through Google, etc. I didn’t see it mentioned anywhere in support posts or the extremely long release notes pages until after that prompt.
Admittedly, my ability to find anything useful through DDG or Google seems to get worse every week.
Will be a good excuse to get off my ass and switch to Graphene
It’s tap to pay (or use the public transit) that’s keeping me back.
You can still use Google wallet if you’re happy to accept Google services in full. Also, Curve has touchless payment that doesn’t require Google’s stuff. You do obviously trade Google for another company to slurp up your data, so it’s not a perfect solution.
Google wallet does not work on graphene even with Play Services installed
Check out WALT
It’s still in development but is being built specifically with GrapheneOS in mind. Hopefully we should have a privacy focused tap-to-pay within a year.
Put your card in your phone case.
I don’t use a phone case and it’s less secure besides.
It’s no less secure than keeping your phone in your wallet like all but the most paranoid of us do, and it’s more convenient than Google pay. Plus it comes with the benefit of not sharing your purchase history with an ad company, and lets you use a much more secure and private OS. Your call, but seems like an easy choice to me.
What do you mean by this? Most people don’t carry a wallet big enough to store a phone.
Oops meant card. Most people carry their card in their wallet and use a pay app on their phone, so their card can get skimmed if the card is in their phone case or their wallet. While everyone has different risk tolerance, the actual risk of encountering fraud like skimming physical cards in wallets or at the register is small enough to not be a show stopper for most people.
My wallet has blocked RFID signals for the past ten years which has advantages but also sucks when I use to use a bus card or a student id I couldn’t tap my wallet but rifle through it. My city’s buses uses a qr code thingy ready2ride so you scan in with your phone and tickets can now last 3 hours instead of one use which is amazing for grocery shopping or a night out
Ah, that makes a lot more sense lol
I’m not worried about some nebulous theft; the not sharing of a card number with a merchant is what I’m referring to.
Good news. You can switch from your couch.
I dunno about them but my phone is only at 22% battery and I can’t reach the cable from where I’m sitting.
I believe in you
It’s been a minute since I flashed a rom but I feel like I’m gonna need a cable and a laptop?
I installed Graphene on my last phone by using another phone (and a good cable). This time I used a computer (and another good cable), and it worked exactly the same lol (that is, perfectly).
I love Graphene
Yup that’s what I read. Need a particular browser according to their guide but that’s easy.
This all reminded me I should pull out my old phone first and make sure that’s logged into Google before I go wiping my primary. I do have backup login codes etc. but never hurts to be prepared.
I dont think you even need that anymore, ive been on graphene for ages though its hard ro remember. I think your phone just needs enough battery or to be on a charger.
So like, unlock, reboot, download something from Graphene’s site and just run it and reboot again?
If that’s true damn, we really live in the future.
Edit: ah no that is not the case.
https://grapheneos.org/install/
Yeah someone else replied to me and said you’d need at least another phone.
You do need a secondary device and a cable, but that device can be another phone
This is what I did and do not regret a thing. It takes a few weeks to get used to (especially when coming from iOS), but once you find good open source replacements for daily apps, there’s no going back. The only thing I miss is Apple Pay, but using regular card again is not a huge deal.
I did recently and its been better than I expected. The only real issue was RCS. After 2 years of me not having a Facebook account, my friends finally switched from Facebook’s system to a group text… which broke utterly without RCS.
I had to install Google’s Messages app and fiddle with the native app and Google’s RCS settings and eventually it start working again. I am pretty competent but the support for this seemed to be digging through forum posts and trying a bunch of different solutions unsuccessfully and then having it suddenly work and not knowing why. I hope they manage to get a solution working in the native app.
Otherwise a great experience!
Good thought. Luckily all my critical folks are on Signal.
There are very few people I can convince to switch just because its too hard for them to switch apps depending on who you are talking to.
I rarely interact in chats with these folks and one friend that I’m closest to in that group had basically been acting a repeater for important messages. I didn’t want to, just months after finally having them stop using a group Facebook chat switch to group SMS that included me, bail on them again for an even less common method of communication and make him do that again.
I’ll bring it up in person in a month or two. One of them literally works for Google - not a massive fanboy but prone to occasional defensiveness - so I’m not super hopeful it’ll happen anytime soon.
I was able to get RCS to work on Google Messages easily on GrapheneOS. The issue I had was trying to NOT use RCS. My messages have never been encrypted with iPhone users so I’m using Molly for people that matter anyways, and I was hoping to be able to recieve group texts even though I wasn’t using Google Messages anymore. Nope, could never get it to work. I tried deregistering from RCS on Google’s page, I tried contacting TMobile support, etc. Those group text just disappeared into the ether. So I’m back to Google Messages until Grapheme Messages adds RCS.
Why Molly over the official client, may I ask? The official client is already OSS.
If you’re trying to fully De-Google on GrapheneOS one of the thorny issues you have to solve is that push notifications don’t work without Google Play Services. For my primary profile my goal was to have Google Play and Play Services completely disabled.
Molly allows you to select an alternative push notifications setup. I used Sunup which I think uses a Mozilla service and then you set it up with a public MollySocket server and make sure Sunup has unrestricted battery access and then push notifications work reliably without Play Services.
I’m running Signal v8.24.4 on GrapheneOS, no play services, and notifications are working fine. Did you make sure to turn off battery optimization?
It’s actually really easy nowadays. There’s specific setting in the sandboxed Google play for ICC identification (needed for RCS) and activation/it getting it to work is trivial as long as you use Google messages.
The native RCS app is something they want to do but is far out.
I thought that might have been the setting that did it. Unfortunately, a prompt to change that setting occurred only after about 16 hours of multiple rounds of switching, uninstalling, resetting permissions for, adding permissions to, and clearing data from the Messages app, multiple rounds of turning off RCS through Google, etc. I didn’t see it mentioned anywhere in support posts or the extremely long release notes pages until after that prompt.
Admittedly, my ability to find anything useful through DDG or Google seems to get worse every week.
I think graphene inherited this issue. It certainly inherited the memory bug in the latest update.