Deporting itself isn’t bad. Deporting immigrants that contribute to community is bad for everyone.
An important piece to handle this right is to have enough immigration judges that can determine who should be deported and who is allowed to stay. US historically has shortages in that area. During Biden a bill was about to pass to address this and many other issues. It had bipartisan support, everyone thought it most likely will pass, until candidate trump stepped in and basically made Republicans not vote for it, because he needed the immigration crisis.
One, it could be used for campaign (see, we now already see immigration caravan, it is like a clockwork, always right before elections), two, expanding ICE and converting it to personal army wouldn’t have buy in.
Now we have masked larpers going after old, women and children, like in Nazi Germany, they even built concentration camps (note, I did not say death camps, lookup concentration camps in dictionary, it is exactly that, people are confined without access to courts).
And as in Nazi Germany the group of people that ICE will go after will gradually expand.
Good on you for blocking them. You wouldn’t want to have to deal with any facts or data that would make you question the people who professionally lie to you. That’d be just terrible.
Cool, that’s fair. But it also makes it hard to have nuanced conversations about the organizations doing all of that evil shit way more under certain bosses.
Do you have sources showing ICE having a problem with rape, torture and kidnapping under previous administrations?
Jesus fuck how am I the one “defending” ICE here?
We know Obama deported more people. Most of us are aware of that, and it’s a major criticism that we have of him. But Obama followed the law and due process, and I’m not aware of the systemic issues you’re referring to happening under him.
Under Trump it’s literally the point.
If you cannot tell the difference, then maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
I don’t find that surprising at all. I frequently see Libs defending the same policies that they critizise under Republicans, as long as the Blue Team is the one doing it. Partisianship matters more than policy to them, it would seem.
But Obama followed the law and due process, and I’m not aware of the systemic issues you’re referring to happening under him.
If you cannot tell the difference, then maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
I can tell the difference: One openly admits that they don’t care, the other pretends that they are going to fix it, but quitely keeps perpetuating it.
Unfortunately, wanting to take away people’s voting rights for having the audacity of pointing out factually correct information is what I’ve come to expect from Libs.
It’s so incredibly disingenuous to pretend that any of that is the same as what’s happening right now. And I’m certain you know that it’s different and it’s fucking foul that you you’re so ok with lying like this. You should be ashamed.
I’m not a fucking lib, I’ve got eyes and a brain. There’s a difference between individual (awful) isolated events, and systemic and purposeful abuse at an administrative level.
I know ignorance would read its head in the comments.
edit: Oh, it’s you. I blocked you before. I guess shit bubbles to the top. Let’s try that again.
Deporting itself isn’t bad. Deporting immigrants that contribute to community is bad for everyone.
An important piece to handle this right is to have enough immigration judges that can determine who should be deported and who is allowed to stay. US historically has shortages in that area. During Biden a bill was about to pass to address this and many other issues. It had bipartisan support, everyone thought it most likely will pass, until candidate trump stepped in and basically made Republicans not vote for it, because he needed the immigration crisis.
One, it could be used for campaign (see, we now already see immigration caravan, it is like a clockwork, always right before elections), two, expanding ICE and converting it to personal army wouldn’t have buy in.
Now we have masked larpers going after old, women and children, like in Nazi Germany, they even built concentration camps (note, I did not say death camps, lookup concentration camps in dictionary, it is exactly that, people are confined without access to courts).
And as in Nazi Germany the group of people that ICE will go after will gradually expand.
Good on you for blocking them. You wouldn’t want to have to deal with any facts or data that would make you question the people who professionally lie to you. That’d be just terrible.
What do you see when you look at this?
🫰NOT the thirst trap congresswoman. 👋 The chart, what do you see?
Trump is looking like he’ll top one million. He did it. He beat Obama’s record. 🎉🙄
All Presidents are scum.
America was NEVER “great”.
Ok so what does your pretty picture have to do with the matter at hand
AOC makes a big deal about ICE and deportations when Trump is in office. But when Democrats do it, suddenly she doesn’t seem to care.
So is the implied “argument” here that ICE is just as evil under Democrat presidents as it is under Trump?
I think people who rape, torture, kidnap, steal, and deport others are evil, no matter who their boss is.
Cool, that’s fair. But it also makes it hard to have nuanced conversations about the organizations doing all of that evil shit way more under certain bosses.
I’m not sure about that. One boss does it out in the open, and gets opposition. The other does it more discretely, and gets very little pushback.
I’m not sure about that
Do you have sources showing ICE having a problem with rape, torture and kidnapping under previous administrations?
Jesus fuck how am I the one “defending” ICE here?
We know Obama deported more people. Most of us are aware of that, and it’s a major criticism that we have of him. But Obama followed the law and due process, and I’m not aware of the systemic issues you’re referring to happening under him.
Under Trump it’s literally the point.
If you cannot tell the difference, then maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
https://www.aclumontana.org/press-releases/montana-father-seven-who-was-raped-ice-custody-faces-immediate-deportation/
https://www.vice.com/en/article/in-detention-centers-97-percent-of-rape-accusations-met-by-silence-report-says/
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-much-sexual-abuse-gets-lost-in-detention/
I don’t find that surprising at all. I frequently see Libs defending the same policies that they critizise under Republicans, as long as the Blue Team is the one doing it. Partisianship matters more than policy to them, it would seem.
https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/violation-constitution-obama-deporting-asylum-seekers-without
I can tell the difference: One openly admits that they don’t care, the other pretends that they are going to fix it, but quitely keeps perpetuating it.
Unfortunately, wanting to take away people’s voting rights for having the audacity of pointing out factually correct information is what I’ve come to expect from Libs.
It’s so incredibly disingenuous to pretend that any of that is the same as what’s happening right now. And I’m certain you know that it’s different and it’s fucking foul that you you’re so ok with lying like this. You should be ashamed.
I’m not a fucking lib, I’ve got eyes and a brain. There’s a difference between individual (awful) isolated events, and systemic and purposeful abuse at an administrative level.