No. I’m saying that democrats already have the position that a wide majority of their constituents hold (as shown by the primary victories of corporate democrats time and again on a national level). The lemmy echo chamber doesn’t represent “wide majorities” whatsoever. Hillary and Kamala both lost by less than 5%.
Iif a few more idealists would have held their nose and voted blue despite the terrible candidates you would have problems right now of the type “the solar energy incentives are going to big corporations instead of homeowners” or “Kamala-Care offers too many loopholes and doesn’t provide a single payer system” instead of the current “the pedophile criminal is executing citizens in broad daylight while transferring 10 billion dollars to his slush fund and threatening war with Venezuela, Iran and Denmark”.
But at least you didn’t vote for an impure candidate, so you have that going for you… I’ll be enjoying my universal Healthcare, 14 months of paid maternity leave and 30 days of PTO over here. Peace!
I’m saying that democrats already have the position that a wide majority of their constituents hold (as shown by the primary victories of corporate democrats time and again on a national level).
OK, well, what you’re saying is demonstrably wrong. Recent polling shows that 65% of Democrats are sympathetic towards Palestinians, while 17% of Democrats’ sympathies lie with the Israelis. By the way, those numbers are at 41% to 30% with independents, so that means Democrats’ current position on Gaza is still 11 points underwater with those, “swing voters,” they’re always chasing.
However, if you’re using elections as your barometer, well, the Democrats own internal report (which the DNC tried to bury), shows that, “Kamala Harris lost significant support because of the Biden administration’s approach to the war in Gaza.” Also, if you think that, “primary victories of corporate democrats,” prove that being pro-Israel is a net positive for Democrats, “on a national level,” I’d like to point out that Biden didn’t face a real primary in 2024, and Harris didn’t face a primary at all, so Democratic voters haven’t weighed in nationally on Israel/Gaza since 2020. But if the local victories of folks like Mamdani and Majia are any indicator, then I’d say being pro-Israel is a pretty bad position to take.
Anyway, I’ll admit that I was so overwhelmed by how spectacularly wrong you were in that first sentence that I didn’t even read the rest of your comment, but skimming it now, I can see it the same, “lesser evil,” arguments I’ve been hearing since 2016, to which I’ll say, “no one gives a shit.” Would we be better off with Harris than Trump? Of course. That’s why I voted for her. But it doesn’t fucking matter. The, “lesser evil,” argument may be correct, but time and again it has failed with voters. You can bitch all you want about people not voting how you think they should, but at the end of the day, it won’t make a difference. Give them something they want to vote for in 2028 or lose.
No one knows what fhe fuck you’re trying to say, dude. I made, like, six different points about the Democrats and the 2024 election and you replied with, “what about the entirety of American history?” What about it? WTF is your point?
Democrats put candidates in primaries and people votes for them, that’s my point. Just because you don’t like doesn’t mean Americans as a group don’t. Even if they disagree on a single issue.
Oh, OK, so then this is also something you’re wrong about, because that’s not how the process has worked for 240 years. The Democratic party itself has existed for less than 200 years, it’s modern form as a (ostensibly) left-leaninf, pro-labor party has existed for less than 100 years, and the modern primary process, where the voters actually select a candidate, has only existed since 1972. Before that, party delegates would just pick a candidate in a backroom meeting and voters would be stuck with it. People were incredibly unhappy with that system, which is why it was reformed in 1072 with binding primaries. The Democrats tried to limit voter influence in the 80s by adding Superdelegates, but after the outsized roll they played the disastrous 2016 election, they were reformed in 2018. Some of those reforms were rolled back in 2024 so they could anoint Harris.
Also, a large majority of Democratic voters did not want Joe Biden to run again in 2024, but the Democrats refused to hold debates and kept challengers off the ballot in many states. That did not end well, and no, Americans as a group are not fucking happy with this system. Generally speaking, people who are happy their current systems of government don’t elect fascist conmen who promise to burn the system down.
The fascist conman promised kicking immigrants, banning muslims, protecting pedophiles, triggering libs and tax breaks for the rich, not to burn the system down. Project 2025 was there for all to see. And people just didn’t vote against him.
As long as the have been primaries the leftist candidate has lost. Maybe leftist should start acting instead of whining online?
No. I’m saying that democrats already have the position that a wide majority of their constituents hold (as shown by the primary victories of corporate democrats time and again on a national level). The lemmy echo chamber doesn’t represent “wide majorities” whatsoever. Hillary and Kamala both lost by less than 5%.
Iif a few more idealists would have held their nose and voted blue despite the terrible candidates you would have problems right now of the type “the solar energy incentives are going to big corporations instead of homeowners” or “Kamala-Care offers too many loopholes and doesn’t provide a single payer system” instead of the current “the pedophile criminal is executing citizens in broad daylight while transferring 10 billion dollars to his slush fund and threatening war with Venezuela, Iran and Denmark”.
But at least you didn’t vote for an impure candidate, so you have that going for you… I’ll be enjoying my universal Healthcare, 14 months of paid maternity leave and 30 days of PTO over here. Peace!
OK, well, what you’re saying is demonstrably wrong. Recent polling shows that 65% of Democrats are sympathetic towards Palestinians, while 17% of Democrats’ sympathies lie with the Israelis. By the way, those numbers are at 41% to 30% with independents, so that means Democrats’ current position on Gaza is still 11 points underwater with those, “swing voters,” they’re always chasing.
However, if you’re using elections as your barometer, well, the Democrats own internal report (which the DNC tried to bury), shows that, “Kamala Harris lost significant support because of the Biden administration’s approach to the war in Gaza.” Also, if you think that, “primary victories of corporate democrats,” prove that being pro-Israel is a net positive for Democrats, “on a national level,” I’d like to point out that Biden didn’t face a real primary in 2024, and Harris didn’t face a primary at all, so Democratic voters haven’t weighed in nationally on Israel/Gaza since 2020. But if the local victories of folks like Mamdani and Majia are any indicator, then I’d say being pro-Israel is a pretty bad position to take.
Anyway, I’ll admit that I was so overwhelmed by how spectacularly wrong you were in that first sentence that I didn’t even read the rest of your comment, but skimming it now, I can see it the same, “lesser evil,” arguments I’ve been hearing since 2016, to which I’ll say, “no one gives a shit.” Would we be better off with Harris than Trump? Of course. That’s why I voted for her. But it doesn’t fucking matter. The, “lesser evil,” argument may be correct, but time and again it has failed with voters. You can bitch all you want about people not voting how you think they should, but at the end of the day, it won’t make a difference. Give them something they want to vote for in 2028 or lose.
What about the 240 years before 2024?
What about them? That question is so vague asking it without further context is meaningless.
If only lemmy kept context.
No one knows what fhe fuck you’re trying to say, dude. I made, like, six different points about the Democrats and the 2024 election and you replied with, “what about the entirety of American history?” What about it? WTF is your point?
Democrats put candidates in primaries and people votes for them, that’s my point. Just because you don’t like doesn’t mean Americans as a group don’t. Even if they disagree on a single issue.
Oh, OK, so then this is also something you’re wrong about, because that’s not how the process has worked for 240 years. The Democratic party itself has existed for less than 200 years, it’s modern form as a (ostensibly) left-leaninf, pro-labor party has existed for less than 100 years, and the modern primary process, where the voters actually select a candidate, has only existed since 1972. Before that, party delegates would just pick a candidate in a backroom meeting and voters would be stuck with it. People were incredibly unhappy with that system, which is why it was reformed in 1072 with binding primaries. The Democrats tried to limit voter influence in the 80s by adding Superdelegates, but after the outsized roll they played the disastrous 2016 election, they were reformed in 2018. Some of those reforms were rolled back in 2024 so they could anoint Harris.
Also, a large majority of Democratic voters did not want Joe Biden to run again in 2024, but the Democrats refused to hold debates and kept challengers off the ballot in many states. That did not end well, and no, Americans as a group are not fucking happy with this system. Generally speaking, people who are happy their current systems of government don’t elect fascist conmen who promise to burn the system down.
The fascist conman promised kicking immigrants, banning muslims, protecting pedophiles, triggering libs and tax breaks for the rich, not to burn the system down. Project 2025 was there for all to see. And people just didn’t vote against him.
As long as the have been primaries the leftist candidate has lost. Maybe leftist should start acting instead of whining online?
most americans dont vote
chronically, year after year, decade after decade
That in itself is a choice.