“It’s bad for consumers” is one of those phrases that’s been misused so often I’m amazed these cunts still try to use it with a straight face. It’s like “I’m not racist, but” in terms of phrases that are widely understood to mean their direct opposite.
They’ll stop using it when people stop falling for it.
I’m not sure anyone actually does fall for it per se; it’s one of those lies that literally everyone knows is a lie, but CEOs and corrupt politicians need it to be true in order to justify what they want to do next so they have to go through the process of saying it first.
When all you want to do is sell vastly more expensive but quality poor versions of last century’s product, you should be afraid. American automakers have had the government prop up their manufacturing for decades leaving the rest of the world open to create this century’s products.
Oh man…I am American but I yearn for the day when I can buy a pickup with a full bed the size of a Daewoo Lanos
second this.
that slate truck/suv is lookin good tho even with the bitty bed. jay leno’s garage youtube just did a video about it
Cross your fingers it aint just Tesla again
They missed the EV push in the 90’ by GM, in the 2010’ by Tesla and now once again. They would never change without market pressure.
At least for the last year, the only thing that has tempered Donald’s worst impulses is markets.
So in a way, these kinds of movements and deals are essential to international security.
God I fucking hate stealerships. If car dealer cartels in the US as a concept die as a result of this era of idiocy we’re in, that’s a pretty great silver lining.
I’ll take any silver lining, but I’m not sure if whatever replaced it will be any better given how the Chinese have acted in markets they’ve achieved majority stake in.
Tbh being able to purchase cars direct from the manufacturer would be dope. New car dealers are literally nothing but middlemen.
I don’t drive, so I don’t buy cars. But I’m curious, how would that work to buy directly from the manufacturer as opposed to a dealership? Like I assume they would still have to have the equivalent of a dealership, where inventory is locally stored, can be test driven, can perform servicing. I assume that’s pretty much the same as a dealership right?
For example Tesla does not have dealers. They have to have similar functions but they’re owned and operated by Tesla, not a third party
- they have showroom, including visible places like malls
- they have service centers, somewhat regional. I have two within half hour drive, but also do a surprising amount of service visits mobile
- they have places to pick up your vehicle, typically a service center, or some of the time they are delivered
New car experience you go to a dealer, independent middlemen, where they attempt to steer you toward higher profit choices, and the prices are all negotiated where they’re the only ones who know the cost and they have a practiced skill to extract money. It’s exhausting and time consuming
New car experience with Tesla: you may look at the vehicle in the mall or online. you schedule a test drive from wherever is nearest: mine was at the mall they had a showroom in the shopping area and a small section of the parking garage for test drive. You buy online and pay list price where all the options, prices, and financing are visible before you choose to buy. They schedule a pickup time, which might be from a regional service center. Much simpler and easier, and you never feel exploited or scammed
You’re not spending any time getting exploited by a sales-bro, none of that stupid thing where they “have to speak to their manager” so you can stew or second guess. No games with interest or tradeins, surprise incentives, bargains with the devil
Yeah, but you’re buying a Tesla, so there is that icky factor to deal with.
good
I really hope American car manufacturers go bankrupt. American cars are the worst. The rest of the world has better cars.
Would you like a buggy whip with your gas guzzler, Sir?
How many US car manufacturer CEOs endorsed Trump? I’m betting a lot.
Living in the Detroit media market I didn’t hear off any of them endorsing Trump. Usually they give lots of money to both sides so they can get favours regardless of who wins. Endorsements are more likely to cost them money from opponents than any that’s gained from supporters or favours they couldn’t get otherwise.
Xenpeng is the first car to actually copy what’s making tesla the best EVs.
Stay the fuck away from likes of BYD AND XIAOMI.
What did they do?
Why do you think Teslas are the best?
Xiaomi has a lot of issues with batteries and well… Handles. They’re prime reason for flush door handle ban. They’re also basically “overclocked” to reach spec sheet but are built schokingly poorly (people give Tesla crap for this, yet xiaomi gets a free pass?)
BYD is just behind. Tech is outdated, no remote Bluetooth 5.0 entry, no one pedal driving. Very aggressive safety measures which make the car more dangerous on the road. Not as efficient, I also found it to just lie to me on actual usage of its battery… It didn’t add up to what I used during my test drive and where the battery was for it to claim 3.9 kWH/mile
As to why tesla is the best? Nothing in UK currently compares to their cars from 2018. That’s just fact. No other car is as efficient and convenient. My 2021 model is still unbeatable when it comes to features. They have dropped the ball hard yet… Only until Xpeng did anyone start actually doing things Tesla drivers take for granted. I’m Scheduled for test drive and I will compare with my own two eyes as opposed to reading/watching biased reviews.
You can see comments and downvotes here alone, people here hate Tesla, that’s fine. I’m not buying another one from them either. But facts care not about feelings. They’re simply the gold standard we were told to… Ignore and not compare others to? Fuck that.
I could go on for what makes Tesla ahead, but I got a feeling you’re not asking in good faith.
What features are important to you in a car?
Efficiency - 4 miles per kWh minimum. Obviously that’s for saloon / hatchback. Something like model y size 3.5 is acceptable. And this is something I want to verify myself, very few cars achieved this in my test drive.
Key less entry - I’m too used to it. I don’t want to go back to having to carry keys. I leave the house with just my phone and watch, both can pay for things and open things. They’re locked behind my biometrics so I deem it safe.
Sentry + dashcam - again, this is minimum in today’s day and age to me. The car should always be recording. I’m not getting 3d party camera in a car I already paid +40k for.
Fleet control - this is very country dependent. I can charge my car using wall plug and get super cheap rate or use a dummy charger which isn’t connected to my electricity supplier and the car will let them know how much electricity the car used and it’ll adjust on my bill. In quantifiable terms, this is a saving of 1/4th of charging cost or one of payment of £900 for installing compatible charger per location.
Boot space - I have family, space is needed. The easiest thing for cars to achieve really.
Software - be it accurate navigation, route planning or the touch and feel of it. Tesla Navigation is one I have most experience in. But I have serious confidence in it. I have arrived at home with 0% charge several times because the car said it could. It also got us through insane storm where it also accurately calculated the extra battery drain due to elevation and wind. Do other cars do it? Do they do it well? I know one thing, using Google / apple car play circumvent the in car navigation and charge networks so the built in map is actually important. One day hopefully they start supporting cars and then it’ll be non issue.
People hate on screen only, but I genuinely have never had problems with it. My wife also has no issues opening glove box, adjusting AC or changing songs or putting gps…
Driver safety - this is fairly high on the list of things which will male me hate the car. When you watch a car review. Pay attention to when they say “it’s super easy to turn off driver attention system!” THAT is a red flag. A car shouldn’t have such abysmal safety measures they’re annoying and you need to turn them off each drive because they self turn on. MG has the most annoying one and the dealer HAS LITERALLY TURN THEM OFF IN FRONT OF ME before letting me drive the car. I can’t express how bad some of these are.
Auto steer and cruise control - pretty much standard now days. I don’t need FSD, just simple keep this speed and don’t crash and on motorway, keep in the lane for me. Tesla autopilot is very good but others have come a long way over the 8 years.
Look - I want a sporty looking car and interior I want it to be leather like feel, no fabric, no tacky “recycled” look. I’m paying serious money and I want some comfort. It’s a low bar and pretty much any car I’ve test driven in the price range has been good enough comfort wise. I personally like minimalistic, but I’m not opposed to say the Taycan level.
This has been fun to type out. I hope it makes sense. There were many cars which almost made it. I’m waiting for Xpeng test drive which promises all these things. So we shall see. Our model 3 has 91k on it. It’s still a great car and if we need to spend another 3 years with it waiting for something new? That’s fine.
That’s just fact
Not really suspension is dog shit & everything is computer.
Most people aren’t Tesla drivers though, my car gets me from A to B when taking public transit would be a pain. Bought a Nissan, smoother ride, all the features I want and physical buttons for everything I touch while driving.
You can see comments and downvotes here alone
Have you considered that it’s because you didn’t actually explain what you like about your Tesla in either your original post or here.
Sure people hate Tesla but your comments don’t give any details on what is good about Tesla, of the 3 EVs i regularly drive/ride in, it’s by far the worst, and one of them is just a pickup truck they put batteries in, but it’s still more comfortable than a Tesla.
It really doesn’t matter why Tesla is superior. “All computer” is not some sort of sin when the “computer” is good. And here lies the duplicity of talking about tesla. Anything that’s worse is “dog shit” and everything that’s leading, is “all computer” and all computer is now bad? Your phone is all computer and has 3 buttons?
No one is ever going to make good faith arguments. Air con in EVs is a lot better than ice, that’s just facts. Good air con is set and forget. So is your wheel position. But you’ll see comments only pointing out how lack of buttons is so bad! Because shit air con requires constant adjustment? I have set my car at 21 degrees. It’s now at 91k miles, I have not touched it because it does what I told it to? Same with wheel position and mirrors, why would I need to adjust them?
I’m not sure what nissan you have that the suspension is that much superior, I have only driven their leaf, didn’t blow me away but I have no other point of reference for Nissan EVs… Is taycan suspension better than model 3? Absolutely. But as a package. Tesla app and “computer” offers features actually used by human owners.
People automatically jump at conclusion I’m shilling tesla. If I did, I would’ve bought highland or juniper. But I haven’t, they’re step down in certain ways, suspension is better (and can be fitted to older models) but other things are a down grade vs pre 2024 model.
But we cannot have an honest conversion because 1. Tesla is apparently the worst 2. Tesla will kill you, car literary sets itself ablaze the moment you enter it and 3. Internet just told us to ignore it.
I test drive cars for fun. I live in a very car dealership heaven, I have driven A LOT of EVs and I’ve yet to find an replacement for my 2021 model 3. As soon as one comes? I’ll buy it. Tesla is on downwards spiral. But I won’t ignore real world experience just because Musk is a Nazi and their cars are no longer an improvement over their existing models. The sooner we collectively accept that, the sooner European brands will get their shit together and the likes of VW group stop selling shit that looks identical to my old 2016 Skoda.
the sooner European brands will get their shit together
Then hyundai…
Hyundai is the example of Korean car I mentioned.
European cars are only now starting to do something. But it’s just the renau plus Dacia and it’s only budget lines for now.
You can get Dacia for £11k, which is great; bit not for me.
all computer is now bad
Always has been, I don’t want to be fumbling around in settings when I’m driving,
I have set my car at 21 degrees. It’s now at 91k miles, I have not touched it because it does what I told it to
Cool story but do you have any friends or family that get in your car and want a different temperature, adjusting AC is a pretty common task for most people. If my dog is in my car i’ll lower it when he starts panting for example.
People automatically jump at conclusion I’m shilling tesla
I mean your saying shit like Tesla is objectively better because it is all computer, when that isn’t what most drivers want.
If you just said you like your Tesla and you like everything being computer, that would be one thing, but you’re insisting that’s it’s better because of the features most people hate but you like and are willing to sacrifice what most people consider more important (suspension & ease of use) so that you get that feature, then claiming all other EVs are worse as if nobody else has used a Tesla and we’re all lying about not liking it.
But we cannot have an honest conversion
If you can’t have a conversation with 1 person, that might be them, but if you can’t have an honest conversation with anyone, the problem is probably you.
You’re putting words in my mouth.
I didn’t say tesla is better because it’s all computer. There’s nothing but hostility coming from your comments, “cool story”, seriously dude? Back to 2009 are we?
I can have this conversation with people in real world, you mean to tell me Lemmy is good representation of public and public perception? If that’s the case. Tesla is already dead, we cured world hunger and trans people are no longer in danger, we did it Lemmy! This place is as much of a hive mind as is reddit or twitter. The same behavior just different opinion.
It’s hilarious that you think Tesla is a good brand.
How original. Where were you told to accept mediocre alternatives and PLEASE JUST DO NOT COMPARE OUR CARS TO THE BEST SELLING ONE.
Leave your emotions at the door and we might actually get some improvement and alternatives that aren’t made by fucking China. Right now used model 3 is the best EV anyone can buy. But hey, you go ahead and buy your Volvo or VW and make sure to thumbs up all the people telling you they’re the best!
If you think that I am anti EV, then you are barking up the wrong tree, my Mach-E beats the snot out of most Tesla’s not only in performance but in build quality.
I don’t want to talk down your purchase since you clearly like it. But Mach e isn’t exactly a great representation of how to do EVs.
Their regen is really not right. It’s also really not a good battery system and suffers above average battery degradation. Not 100% sure what went wrong or if the car I drove with 10k was some sort of lemon… But I really did not like it. The screen, the windscreen being so tiny… I give them that, the car was comfortable to sit in but the suspension didn’t impress me, it really swayed a lot in our curvy roads.
I do the same 25 mile trip in every test car. It had worse efficiency than the taycan. Long term reviews seem to align with this experience. How do you find it? I think it has potential but came too early into the market and needs a face lift in order to compete. Hence you don’t see them on the road… I’m genuinely not sure what “performance” you speak of… Because it’s not speed, range or handling. Sure as fuck it ain’t good at charging!
I can’t help but notice that Tesla isn’t even on this list
American free market advocates when the market is free:
