Oooooo. Wow ppl really just gonna hate everything he touches eh?
Remind me why. Is it mainly because of his attempt to reduce government spending, his views on trans, his Asperger’s, or his odd approach to reproducing with women?
SpaceX has 10k employees that aren’t Elon ya know.
I already see this is going to be a fruitless discussion with those proposed discussion points. “His attempt to reduce government spending” 🤣 “attempt”.
Yes I understand that’s the party line. I was hoping for something more concrete but now it feels like this is being answered in bad faith so we can shut it down
What party line? It’s the truth? He’s in the Epstein files begging to go “party” on the island. He hit multiple nazi salutes on camera. It’s not a line it’s a statement of fact Elon Musk is a nazi pedophile.
Bad faith is when people point out my idol is fucking evil.
I genuinely saw the man making a hand gesture out to all the people. I didn’t see, nor have I even seen, any sign or symptom that he’s actually a Nazi.
The pedo thing, eh that’s pretty inconclusive that he was touching underage women because he asked to go to a party imo. I prefer a bit more damning evidence.
The man isn’t my idol. I hate a lot of his personal life and the way he appears to treat woman.
I truly am thinking independently, and I understand that your view on the world is different. Is this all it takes for you to say pedo Nazi or is there more?
I’m sorry you feel this way. I haven’t been on reddit in years. I’ll limit or block Lemmy.ml, tension high af in here. Clearly I wandered into an echo chamber I don’t belong in!
I was hoping you were genuinely concerned about the most effective and equitable solution to get such an important utility to as many people as possible but clearly you’re just here to defend the weird billionaire
I am concerned. I didn’t bring up billionaire. I just wonder why we damn a whole company of 10k ppl doing cool science shit because we don’t like the CEO.
Same applies to all social networks and MS Windows, right? Just making sure I’m tracking - these are also hated here? Things that rich people own manufacturing of? What about cars? They’re pretty much govt spyware now too. Just wondering how far this govt coercion hatred extends into everyday life.
People who don’t have alternatives, yeah. Your thinking is too individualistic. You may agree on basic aversions, but the individualism is why you are getting downvotes
People still drive but only because we have no choice most of the time. In a lot of places particularly the US and Australia it’s impossible to participate in society without owning a car or people thinking there is something wrong with you.
What’s your point? People have to do things they hate? Why not develop that thought further? WHY do we have to, and is a world where we have to less often (or not at all) possible?
I feel the endless search for avoiding things I hate is a bit of a utopian dream. I try to be a bit more realistic and tolerant I suppose. Understood that you don’t tho.
Unironically, yes. I don’t know if you’re trying to make that scenario sound ridiculous, but I can assure you that it very much is not. At least outside of the US.
It’s not everyone at the moment, but the IT people who are paying attention are freaking the fuck out. I legitimately think Microsoft, AWS, and GCP will lose substantial market share overseas in the next 24 months.
Consider that much of the rest of the world has started trusting China more than the US. Now think about the US CLOUD Act. What person in their right mind is going to feel comfortable hosting their company’s most sensitive data within jurisdictional reach of whatever the fuck is going on over there?
Oh I agree! But I still drive a car and use windows when I have to. I don’t want to, but to avoid it is currently quite a life nuisance. And that’s I suppose how I feel about those who use Starlink.
Huge fan of Alec, seen most his vids and yeah I caught that earlier this week, including the full ending.
I agree with and love every bit of that video except for that part about Starlink. Everything in his video aligns with my view of the world and I learned a ton of stuff as well, but I feel like this one I would have to sit down and think about a lot more.
It seemed out of place in the video in fact. I brushed it off and didn’t go further down the rabbit hole, but nothing he said changes my mind immediately on this particular matter. Everything else in the video made total sense and easily defensible.
I am realizing now that perhaps this was simply a cheap jab at Elon - Just because everyone hates Elon right now. You have me thinking and maybe I’ll rewatch it and think through this a lot more. I don’t recall him saying anything specific against Elon himself. Prob a dramatic eye roll?
IIRC his point was that 5G to every household is better than an ISP satellite constellation. That felt like it was ignoring so much including national security (for USA at least), global impact, and upgrade costs.
(Edit: made a more formal comment closer to the root of the thread)
Why? Launching shit into space is hard as fuck and has an enormous carbon footprint. You can build A LOT of cellular infrastructure for the same cost and impact.
And building your internet infrastructure in your own territory instead of floating in space will make it a lot harder for China to shoot with their badass microwave canon.
And I’m just a common idiot, but I’d wager upgrading satellite infrastructure is going to be slightly more expensive than terrestrial infrastructure. There’s a reason we’re still using a lot of satellite infrastructure from the 1980s.
Starlink satellites are disposable from the start. They have a five year lifespan before deorbiting and burning up. So launches continue forever. So basically upgrades just come as they come, the mechanism is already in place. No clue on how costs compare with upgrading hundreds of thousands of terrestrial towers every 10 years or whatever is needed.
Agreed that domestic benefits would require far more analysis than I’m capable of.
Damn, what do you have against global internet?!
That it’s owned by … the person who owns it.
Oooooo. Wow ppl really just gonna hate everything he touches eh?
Remind me why. Is it mainly because of his attempt to reduce government spending, his views on trans, his Asperger’s, or his odd approach to reproducing with women?
SpaceX has 10k employees that aren’t Elon ya know.
I already see this is going to be a fruitless discussion with those proposed discussion points. “His attempt to reduce government spending” 🤣 “attempt”.
not even sure what you’re laughing abt. but fair to say it’s not going to be fruitful given this response.
Found Elon’s alt
Him being a nazi pedophile is probably what most people take issue with.
Yes I understand that’s the party line. I was hoping for something more concrete but now it feels like this is being answered in bad faith so we can shut it down
What party line? It’s the truth? He’s in the Epstein files begging to go “party” on the island. He hit multiple nazi salutes on camera. It’s not a line it’s a statement of fact Elon Musk is a nazi pedophile.
I genuinely saw the man making a hand gesture out to all the people. I didn’t see, nor have I even seen, any sign or symptom that he’s actually a Nazi.
The pedo thing, eh that’s pretty inconclusive that he was touching underage women because he asked to go to a party imo. I prefer a bit more damning evidence.
The man isn’t my idol. I hate a lot of his personal life and the way he appears to treat woman.
I truly am thinking independently, and I understand that your view on the world is different. Is this all it takes for you to say pedo Nazi or is there more?
Please just go back to Reddit. You’re just here to try to wreck this community, and we all know it.
I’m sorry you feel this way. I haven’t been on reddit in years. I’ll limit or block Lemmy.ml, tension high af in here. Clearly I wandered into an echo chamber I don’t belong in!
I was hoping you were genuinely concerned about the most effective and equitable solution to get such an important utility to as many people as possible but clearly you’re just here to defend the weird billionaire
I am concerned. I didn’t bring up billionaire. I just wonder why we damn a whole company of 10k ppl doing cool science shit because we don’t like the CEO.
Sovereignty is a huge issue here - handing control of critical infrastructure to a US oligarch is just begging to be coerced and exploited.
Same applies to all social networks and MS Windows, right? Just making sure I’m tracking - these are also hated here? Things that rich people own manufacturing of? What about cars? They’re pretty much govt spyware now too. Just wondering how far this govt coercion hatred extends into everyday life.
Fuck cars is indeed a prevailing sentiment here and elsewhere, as it should be.
YES
/c/fuckcars
A lot
Sir this is a-lemmy. We all hate Microslop, rich people and cars here.
But most of us still drive, I suppose that was the point
Yep people here hate windows. We hate cars, for reasons aside from spying as well they just generally suck.
So does no one here drive?
People who don’t have alternatives, yeah. Your thinking is too individualistic. You may agree on basic aversions, but the individualism is why you are getting downvotes
People still drive but only because we have no choice most of the time. In a lot of places particularly the US and Australia it’s impossible to participate in society without owning a car or people thinking there is something wrong with you.
I did it for years in the city but can’t anymore.
So yeah, anyhow, that’s my point.
What’s your point? People have to do things they hate? Why not develop that thought further? WHY do we have to, and is a world where we have to less often (or not at all) possible?
I feel the endless search for avoiding things I hate is a bit of a utopian dream. I try to be a bit more realistic and tolerant I suppose. Understood that you don’t tho.
Unironically, yes. I don’t know if you’re trying to make that scenario sound ridiculous, but I can assure you that it very much is not. At least outside of the US.
It’s not everyone at the moment, but the IT people who are paying attention are freaking the fuck out. I legitimately think Microsoft, AWS, and GCP will lose substantial market share overseas in the next 24 months.
Consider that much of the rest of the world has started trusting China more than the US. Now think about the US CLOUD Act. What person in their right mind is going to feel comfortable hosting their company’s most sensitive data within jurisdictional reach of whatever the fuck is going on over there?
I am inside the United States and those corporations are all cancer and need to be cut out before they further spread.
Oh I agree! But I still drive a car and use windows when I have to. I don’t want to, but to avoid it is currently quite a life nuisance. And that’s I suppose how I feel about those who use Starlink.
did you ever wonder how we got steered into a situation where we’re forced to use windows, and cars, and starlink?
Whataboutism
Yeah, in search of answers. Not to defend a point.
Why do you use the phrase “that’s my point” if you’re not trying to make one. You seem confused
Not sure what you’re referencing
You, elsewhere in the thread
Global internet that is controlled by a Nazi man-child who wants to destabilize western democracy? Yeah, what could possibly be wrong with that…
As if “Western democracy” needed any help being destabilized.
I’ll let someone much smarter than me speak to this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM&t=4420
Huge fan of Alec, seen most his vids and yeah I caught that earlier this week, including the full ending.
I agree with and love every bit of that video except for that part about Starlink. Everything in his video aligns with my view of the world and I learned a ton of stuff as well, but I feel like this one I would have to sit down and think about a lot more.
It seemed out of place in the video in fact. I brushed it off and didn’t go further down the rabbit hole, but nothing he said changes my mind immediately on this particular matter. Everything else in the video made total sense and easily defensible.
I am realizing now that perhaps this was simply a cheap jab at Elon - Just because everyone hates Elon right now. You have me thinking and maybe I’ll rewatch it and think through this a lot more. I don’t recall him saying anything specific against Elon himself. Prob a dramatic eye roll?
What didn’t make sense about his point?
IIRC his point was that 5G to every household is better than an ISP satellite constellation. That felt like it was ignoring so much including national security (for USA at least), global impact, and upgrade costs.
(Edit: made a more formal comment closer to the root of the thread)
Why? Launching shit into space is hard as fuck and has an enormous carbon footprint. You can build A LOT of cellular infrastructure for the same cost and impact.
And building your internet infrastructure in your own territory instead of floating in space will make it a lot harder for China to shoot with their badass microwave canon.
And I’m just a common idiot, but I’d wager upgrading satellite infrastructure is going to be slightly more expensive than terrestrial infrastructure. There’s a reason we’re still using a lot of satellite infrastructure from the 1980s.
Starlink satellites are disposable from the start. They have a five year lifespan before deorbiting and burning up. So launches continue forever. So basically upgrades just come as they come, the mechanism is already in place. No clue on how costs compare with upgrading hundreds of thousands of terrestrial towers every 10 years or whatever is needed.
Agreed that domestic benefits would require far more analysis than I’m capable of.