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    Christian Nationalism = Nazism.
    Calling it Christian Nationalism is just trying to avoid saying Nazism out loud.

    But don’t worry, like every other branch of fanatic Christians they have a very strong moral codec.
    They will only persecute and kill people they don’t like, just as described in the bible.

    Hitler absolutely used Christianity too, and believed old texts by Martin Luther about the Jews killing Jesus, almost all the shit the Jews were accused of was based on texts by Martin Luther, from when he got old, and was completely deranged.

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      Hitler absolutely used Christianity too

      In case anyone doubts.

      NAZI SS belt buckle. Translation of text, “God is with us.”

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        They actually believed that not being a Christian was a sin. They also believed that sin could be inherited, and so ALL the Jews had inherited deadly sin from when Jesus was crucified.

        Ironically, evidence today tell us that Jesus Christ is a made up character, the church created to make Christianity more personal and easier to understand.
        Which explains the complete lack of reliable historical evidence for the existence of a person that if the stories were true, would be the most important person ever.
        But instead all we have is from “Christian scripture” which is nothing more than hear say by anonymous authors, and then some pretty obviously falsified history books.

        Nothing of the “ancient remains” owned by the catholic church has stood up to scrutiny. Also the search for evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ, is by far and without comparison the most persistent longest ongoing archaeologic search that has ever been undertaken, when the searches of all Cristian institutions like for instance the Catholic Church and the Mormon Church and even government institutions in medieval times are combined. 2000 years of searching, and no evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ has been found!
        Occam’s Razor clearly dedicates that the logical conclusion is that he never existed as a real person, but is as made up as Harry Potter.

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        Hang on, the Prussians were the first ones to issue the “Gott Mit Uns” belt buckle in 1871 and the West German police used it until the 1970’s. The fucking Nazis continued the tradition and God was not with the fucks.

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      I like to shorten it to ‘Cry-Nazis’. You know, seeing as how they love to cry about everything that so much as mildly offends their hwhite “sensibilities”.

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      Calling it Christian Nationalism is just trying to avoid saying Nazism out loud.

      Calling it “Nazis” conjures up very specific images of a foreign government’s 1930s fascist party. These are American fascists wrapped up in a very explicitly Christian iconography. You can call them Nazis and people will blink past it, because they don’t look like Nazis.

      Hitler absolutely used Christianity too

      So did FDR. So did Chang Kai-shek. Lincoln and Jefferson both proselytized from office.

      But if you want to get to the root of Hitlerism, you’d do better looking at Henry Ford and “The International Jew” than Martin Luther (the OG Protestant). Hitler was a Catholic. He came by antisemitism through the post-WW1 private sector and the old guard aristocracy, which blamed Judaism for the Communist swing of the prior decade.

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        Point is many Christians claim Christianity wasn’t part of Nazism and that Hitler wasn’t a Christian.
        But it was absolutely at the very core of Nazism.

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          Point is many Christians claim Christianity wasn’t part of Nazism

          Many Christians were in the resistance movement. Many Christians were in the death camps. Your Christianity didn’t define your political alignment back then any more than it does now.

          Anyone claiming Hitler wasn’t Catholic is full of shit. He worked hand-in-glove with the sitting Pope and agitated within the German church on explicit anti-communist grounds. But the schism was never religious. It was always economic. Nazism is a policy of ethnic social supremacy, enacted to secure land and capital for a racialized in-group of Teutonic people. Polish Catholics, French Catholics, Dutch Protestants, Ukrainian Orthodox… none of these people were spared.

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            That’s a moronic statement when Christianity CLEARLY was actively used to form what the Nazi party stood for, and Christianity was also a major element in their propaganda.
            That’s like saying you can use a gun to kill, but you can also use it to not kill. Well Duh. That doesn’t change that the purpose of guns are to kill.
            And just because there may be some anecdotal not evil Christians, it doesn’t change the fact that Christianity very much is used to do evil, and has been used for that for 2000 years now.

            Yes you can be a Christian and be a good person, but you are a good person despite being a Christian, because Christianity definitely doesn’t help.
            Just look how Christianity is used even today in USA to take away rights from people! This is not very different from how Christianity was used as an excuse to persecute Jews and even mass murdering them in concentration camps during WW2.

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        You can call them Nazis and people will blink past it, because they don’t look like Nazis.

        Not important… but Bovino absolutely dresses like a Nazis.

        And many of the CBP agents have Nazis tats.

        More generally… Trump himself was recycling Hitler’s rhetoric in his ‘16 campaigns.

        So I do feel that it’s both.

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          Bovino absolutely dresses like a Nazis.

          He dresses like a SWAT officer, which has it’s own fascist history.

          Trump himself was recycling Hitler’s rhetoric in his ‘16 campaigns.

          He was recycling Reagan’s rhetoric, right down to the MAGA slogan.

          But Americans can’t handling hearing that Reagan was a fascist. So liberals have to stretch the truth and claim it was Hitler’s

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      My head is still trying to connect Christianity to Nationalism without cancelling out.

      The Old Testament? Sure. It’s basically a nationalism doctrine for the 12 tribes. But when Christ appears? Nope.

      Once again, dude was very much against the values of some modern day “Christians”. I think it’s funny because the Bible even warns of these people being under influence of Satan or even the Antichrist themself.

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        My head is still trying to connect Christianity to Nationalism without cancelling out.

        Both are primitive tribal behaviors without reasoning.

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    This makes so much sense now. If it was some other religious entity, they probably wouldn’t have done this.

    EDIT: It is shocking that any such organization can claim to preach acceptance for all people when they put on their website they hate non-heterosexual people. The mega church where I live has the same thing posted too.

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      Those kinds of churches very much do not preach acceptance for all people. They’re more into the philosophy “if you’re not with us you’re against us.”

      Here’s a 19th century song that was popular in a very conservative church of Christ where I attended as a teenager:

      Onward Christian soldiers!
      Marching as to war,
      With the cross of Jesus
      Going on before.
      Christ, the royal Master,
      Leads against the foe;
      Forward into battle,
      See, His banners go!

      At the name of Jesus
      Satan’s host doth flee;
      On then, Christian soldiers,
      On to victory!
      Hell’s foundations quiver
      At the shout of praise:
      Brothers, lift your voices,
      Loud your anthems raise!

      Onward, Christian soldiers!
      Marching as to war,
      With the cross of Jesus,
      Going on before.

      There is a long list of people who are unacceptable in the eyes of conservative evangelicals; they label anything they hate or don’t understand as “satanic” and make convenient excuses as to why the Bible agrees with them.

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    I still find it hilarious that Protestant churches think you shouldn’t be allowed to protest in church. Protestants. Where do you think that name comes from fellas?

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    I could have told you that. What priest that claims to follow Jesus would have any affiliation with those that would destroy their neighbors? Loving your neighbor is literally Jesus’ second most important commandment and is supposed to be foundational to Christianity. Heretical blasphemers, the whole lot of them.

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      When Jesus said “neighbor” he wasn’t talking to a modern audience. He was talking to people that understood that to mean more in the way we’d understand “kin”.

      He also had more to say about paying taxes to one’s oppressors than he did about slavery; and literally used a law that called for stoning unruly children to criticize the Pharisees.

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        No offense, but as someone who was raised Christian but no longer believes, this is the first time in over 40 years that I’ve heard that explanation/definition of neighbor when referring to that commandment. Do you have any source to back that up?

        Also, there are numerous other references throughout the bible that tout kindness to strangers/visitors/outsiders, including lepers and prostitutes. Your definition seems to be at odds with not just the commandment but all the other parables of kindness and tolerance that Jesus spoke of.

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          Luke 10:25-35, “The Parable of the Good Samaritan” is completely unambiguous and proves them in error. I’m in the same boat as you. Former Christian that refuses to be associated with the ghouls of today’s Christianity.

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            Bullshit.

            Samaritans were still Israelites. Still part of the mosaic covenant.

            Which Jesus taught the law of Moses and the prophets, a law that expressly condones the taking of slaves from foreign people.

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        That’s a wrong interpretation.

        "25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[1] ; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[2] " 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[3]and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’” (Luke 10:25-35)

        For context. The injured man was Jewish and Samaritans were hated by the Jews.

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          You realize, of course, that samaritans were also Israelites?

          Just as that one uncle who married someone the rest of the family did not like is still family. Or perhaps more acutely, like how Catholics and Protestants more or less hate each other but are still both Christians

          I’m confused why a story Jesus literally just scraped off the wall to aggravate the Pharisees is in any way altering his selective understanding.

          Or are you saying Jesus didn’t see slaves as people, and therefore not worthy of kindness and hospitality … or you know. Freedom.

          Cuz he would have seen slaves on a daily basis. Yet we literally have more on paying taxes.

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            Lol, you can try to strawman your way out of this, but I’m not falling for it. All I’m saying is that it’s widely understood “neighbors” refers to everyone “God puts in one’s path.” And that “loving your neighbor” is fundamental to Christianity.

            You must assume I’m a Christian or something. I’m not, and it’s directly because of people like this priest. I will say I respect Jesus’ humanist tendencies and he was mostly a noble man, if he ever existed.

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    Nekiva Levy Armstrong, a Twin Cities civil rights attorney and ordained reverend since 2016, and Monique Cullers, the co-founder of Black Lives Matter Minnesota, were among a group of community activities Tuesday to call for the resignation of David Easterwood as pastor of Cities Church in St. Paul.

    They say Easterwood is also the acting field director for ICE in Minnesota. They say it’s a direct conflict of interest for someone in a faith leadership role to also be a leader in immigration enforcement operations.

    https://www.fox9.com/news/activists-call-cities-church-pastor-resign-over-ice-leadership-conflict

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      They say it’s a direct conflict of interest for someone in a faith leadership role to also be a leader in immigration enforcement operations.

      It’s hard to have a separation of church and state when the church directly works for the state.

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        Or is it the other way ‘round? State works for the church.

        Which would easterwood put first?