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Yes I am very proud. I’m still learning I’ll leave no HEY STOP PUSHING ME

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Can’t fucking believe someone downvoted us for speaking our mind. No worries, I’m used to it. Get a lot worse on the street, just bizarre how disconnected from reality some people are.

Yeah, lots of alcoholics. I mean lots of drugs overall. A lot of the times it’s the reason we become homeless. A lot of the rest of the time we become addicts after becoming homeless. You hang out with the same people day in day out, and it becomes like kind of a fraternity. In some weird way it’s more honest than “housed society”. It’s like, it reminded me a lot of the army in a way. You’re constantly on your feet, constantly working, constantly hustling, constantly hungry, constantly fighting, constantly on edge, right? And just like in the army you quickly grow tight knit connections with people, because you go through the same fucking struggle every day, not necessarily together, but sometimes, but in any case, at the end of the day, there’s no pretention, there’s no grandstanding, we’re all a bunch of dirty old bums scrounging for food in trash cans, there’s no room for formalities if you catch my drift.

You ever been homeless? It’s… A humbling experience. A valuable one. Sure as fuck makes you appreciate everything around you a lot more, and sure as fuck makes you realize just how little you actually need to survive, and how bountiful society actually is, and how fighting for survival awakes deep primal instincts in you that you didn’t know you had.

Sorry for rambling, just happened I suppose. Peace.

Discord did a naughty, we no disco no mo’.

I don’t see how this could backfire!

This is top shelf meme. None of that cheap stuff!

I hear “the social contract has been ripped in half”.

I don’t think about it. I don’t understand the question, honestly. I see people as men or women, short or tall, blue eyed or brown eyed, they come they go. It’s not important to me how they see themselves, it doesn’t interfere with my daily business or interactions with people, I try my best to treat everybody with respect and mind my own business. They can think they’re the Queen of England for all I care.

Huh. I was going to write my own reply but I will defer to your argument, it perfectly encapsulates how I see it too, no notes.

I think it is a very topical argument- mind you I am genuinely not taking a position, I am exploring the logical consequences of the argument. There are pitfalls in the line or reasoning going on the argument that they are making. This is how philosophical discourse works. It’s how arguments and logic works. Being emotional about it is fine, but it’s not conducive to exploring the consequences of the argument.

The reason incest is frowned upon and often illegal is because of the danger it poses to any potential offspring.

The purely hypothetical counter argument here would be that what constitutes a “defect” or “danger” is highly subjective and prone to abuse. Where do we draw the line? Either there is no line and anyone can freely breed offspring, or we are in dangerous territory where we are determining which qualities we as a society deem “unwanted”. What do we mean by “defect”? What do we mean by “unwanted”?

At a population scale, genetic diversity is critical to survival of a population, and a collapse of genetic diversity through too much inbreeding tends to lead to a very unhealthy population

Well that is an argument from utility. Who is to say that people must subject themselves to the “critical survival of a population”? What if people don’t care? If they refused to, what would we do? Force them not to breed, by, say sterilizing them? Surely you see the issue here.

That’s ok. You don’t have to like what other people think. I don’t always like what other people think either. But it’s good to challenge and think through ones positions, I think everyone benefits from that. I think it’s critical, in fact.

(great thread BTW!)

Or homophobic, or transphobic, or other flavor of the month phobic.

If you disagree with their stated world view, you are being irrational, hateful, and must be censored. Which is ironic considering that what they demand is of the world to accept their version of reality at face value.

My controversial opinion is that if everyone has the right to self identification, I have the right to reject that identification. I am under neither logical nor moral obligation to accept another person’s beliefs about themselves or the world. Keep in mind I firmly assert that all people deserve to be treated with kindness and respect, I am making a descriptive not a normative statement. This is strictly a question of retaining the right to epistemological determination, “self identification” being based on that same exact fundamental premise.

Do you think people with autism, downs syndrome, or cognitive impairments should have kids?

Forming relationships with people that are different (as in, not relatives) helps avoid the bad parts of the family structure

That is an argument from utility, which can most certainly be debated. What constitutes “bad”? That is a subjective interpretation.

where the weirdness persists and grows, until it reaches weird shit.

And how do we define “weird shit”? Are “normal” relationships not “weird shit” and don’t they lead to “weird shit”?

their DNA and having their own biological kids as if it mattered.

Well, it matters to them. Therefore, it matters. Doesn’t it? It does to them.

Genuinely just poking at arguments here, I have no decided opinion either way.

People have the right to define themselves however they want. Likewise, people have the right not to share those determinations.

If others have the right to see themselves however they want, I have the right to see themselves however I want too. Reciprocity works like that.

You want the truth? YOU WANT THE TRUTH?

You can’t handle my ban record.

Nice try, sitting this one out.

See the problem with “identity” and what is “reality” and what things “are” or “are not” are profoundly complex philosophical questions that have been deeply, deeply thought about by the most brilliant minds of mankind since thousands of years, and they are yet to be solved.

That is why all claims about what something or someone “is” or “is not” is fraught with paradoxes that just collapse on themselves, and all claims to some sort of objective truth and finality are just fantasies.

What matters is to treat people with kindness and respect whoever they are. That’s what I think. Doesn’t mean we are obligated to believe whatever it is they believe. Everyone is free to believe what they want. That includes the right not to believe what someone else believes. That’s what I believe.

Literally nothing is stopping you.

You replied to me. I support equal rights and humane treatment for everyone, I simply reject the idea that your beliefs require me to surrender my own judgments about reality.

I have not been offensive in any way, you are the one resorting to domination techniques and accusations and emotional outbursts. If you don’t want to accept other people’s beliefs you can always just move along.