The state isn’t there to lower utility bills for the “people”, it’s there to grow, protect capital (and subsequent expansion of exploitation) so it can compete with other states in the global market. You’ll only see mass renewable adoption after bourgeois state prices everything in and decides that it’s best course of action for capital growth

Some articles on the matter if anyone’s interested in some light reading (ableism): Democracy and revolution: How democracy as a form of capitalist rule keeps the state’s people on an anti-communist course

Letter: “Democracy is nevertheless better than fascism”

This is just so ass ngl, 0 actual critique and just endless namecalling and moralism.

I feel like a lot of these non-voters don’t want to admit how desperate the situation is. People are being murdered by secret police in the streets and they’re treating this like a video game to 100%.

Yeah, this would never happen under The Good™ party. State violence, after all, is just a new Trump thing and has nothing to do with bourgeois state interests that voting helps legitimize.

For instance, ICE isn’t some purely evil force that Republicans have employed to just do evil stuff, no - it’s existence is rooted within the material interests of the state, those being managing the reserve army of labor (number of unemployed). This type of management and cruelty is necessary under a bourgeois state, as you do need to have enough unemployment to discipline labor and cut wages, but not too much to be an expense on welfare or cause unrest.

This is precisely why democrats didn’t even try to abolish it, but instead gradually increased funding and maintained it, and how brutalization wouldn’t stop under them but instead be pushed behind close doors (Trump is very mask off in this regard). Same with police.

Here’s an actual good idea: Support socialists like Mamdani in the primaries

Support Hitler, for he was a national SOCIALIST. After all, name makes a thing, not it’s properties.

And once you’ve got those extra four years of neoliberalism, USE THEM, QUICKLY to build a communist militia for the revolution!

1. Guess who’s job it is to make sure communism does not happen 2. Working class has to emancipate themselves, not some student communist militia. Voting only ideologically helps to legitimize and stabilize the state in this regard, which is very much counter-productive.

I met him too and all he’d ever talk about is how landlords were coming for his ass and how he needs a few pounds to keep them at bay

FRG’s national bourgeois must have been devastated by the wall falling and having the internal market expand tremendously (meaning more profit potential) + massive privatization opportunity + influx of workers to exploit

Democrats should have promised to tax the rich and use that money to build a new Third Reich to appease both sides 🙄

Third worldists WILL be the first targets of red terror for posting absolute coal 🥀

The “eat the rich” aka hyperfixation on billionaires narrative as seen in the post. Turns the problem into some moral “some people accumulated too much” rather than being about social relations which doesn’t threaten anything, it automatically implies that workers + small and medium capital are somehow on the same side, and if the narrative had its way and billionaires started to get taxed (before adopting tax avoidance methods like family owned NGO’s) or somehow got removed in other ways, the newly freed minuscule market space would only benefit the smaller capital, as now they can temporarily take over before the capital’s tendency to centralize kicks in once more. Therefore, it’s petty bourgeois at best.

Unless this has some new meaning due to Epstein or something, in which case yeah mb, I don’t really keep up with The Discourse™ for my own sanity

The dogshit billionaire narrative is very much petty bourgeois, they got plenty of representation already

Yeah, the tens of millions of capitalists and small business owners who rely on exploitation and don’t think twice about their workers losing fingers if it were to get their profit rates up are the true victims here… 🥀

Capitalists are really good at doing the latter, given how it’s necessary to have imperialist wars every once in a while to buy time before economy inevitably implodes

More like kill 500 billionaires for them to be instantly replaced by different hitlers and for capitalism and its social relations to continue unimpeded

It’s not an individual morals issue

What Musk and media actually taught the public is how everything is actually being ruined by a group of bad men with moral failings who are doing bad politics, and if they disappeared then everything would be sunshine and rainbows

Never said fatphobia isn’t an issue - it very much is, and it either stems from or gets heavily amplified by the bourgeois class society we live in. After all, a worker that is overweight might not be as productive, might not fit certain positions and therefore is turned into a moralization or demonization without much nuance. Bring in nationalism and it’s an Ubermensch situation.

That being said, this team sport shit slinging at the other side thing is most likely not that deep and is just a competition to see who can say more bad words at the other side with 0 thought

blud is gonna crash out at toddler calling them or someone else fat and stinky with that “fatphobic” point lmao

But seriously, there certainly is a degree of classism and elitism - I remember there was a quite popular post after Trump got elected that basically showed how if people with higher education only were allowed to vote, then Kamala would have won, and the comments went how you’d expect them to go. The sentiment can still be found today in lib news threads, though they are much rarer since Republicans are no longer the hot topic and now it’s ICE or whatever.

Though to be fair, it probably has less to do with them hating the poor, obese or people who didn’t go for education for any reason and it’s just a product of the team sports politics bullshit the vast majority are knee deep in. Gotta cheer your side and throw any insult you can think of at the other!

“an entire year of people being ILLEGALLY deported or disappeared” true, state violence against anyone is only okay when it’s done legally, with due process and for the good of the national people’s

Yeah, bourgeois states would never ever develop infrastructure for market expansion and capital accumulation purposes (e.g. building up infrastructure in colonial states to facilitate exports + extract resources or undertaking massive projects such as the Suez and Panama canals), they would never ever nationalize nor have dominant national ownership of their industry for national bourgeois benefit or capital stability (like in Saudi Arabia, fascist Italy, various national oil companies), nor they would have high approval rates like seen in fascist regimes and economic boom periods (entrenched superstructures also make workers “approve” things that go against their interests). Maybe there’s more DOTP’s out there than I thought…

The idea that development of the productive forces is bad because it implies exploitation is inherently flawed, highly developed productive forces are the basis of socialized production to begin with

Productive forces by themselves are neutral, what matters is the underlying social relations of production. Capitalist mode of production presupposes exploitation via extraction of surplus value and market constrains, which is not only exploitative but also conflicts with the long-term worker interest that is production-for-use. Expansion of exploitation goes against working class interests, that much is hopefully obvious - you’re not gonna find anyone but bourgeois or workers deep in nationalist superstructure being happy about their nation state having GDP growth.

On the other hand, a society that produces for use rather than for profit that doesn’t have the exploitative surplus extraction mechanism - now that and it’s growth is inherently in the interests of the working class.

China hasn’t made even the most gradual of shifts towards this, it’s a full on market economy that maintains the exploitative relation and sometimes merely transfers ownership around, but this doesn’t materially affect the relationship between the worker and means of production.

Mere promises for the “future plans” do not alter the bourgeois essence of the economy as it stands now in China, and I highly doubt that a state maintaining this essence that is in it’s national material interests will one day just do a 180, completely go against those interests and abolish the current state of things.

All of the actual benefits are being given to the working classes on a steady and constant basis. Their quality of life has steadily gone up dramatically year over year, in a fundamentally far greater degree than social democracies offer by ratio, without bribery from imperialism.

This is true for literally most capitalist countries during its active development, or after WW2. It is also a blatantly anti-marxist socdem narrative, as the marxist goal is abolishment of current state of things rather than merely making things temporarily better until capitalist contradictions inevitably catch up and result in crisis.

Most of what you’ve pointed out just now isn’t even in the interest of the working class, nor is it somehow exclusive to AES states - rather, these are just common interests held by bourgeois states.

GDP growth by itself indicates greater capital accumulation, which in turn indicates that a greater degree of worker exploitation has been achieved in a commodity producing society, directly going against worker interests. Same with maintaining the existence of bourgeois and their economic position under the guise of “helping GDP grow” for obvious reasons - it’s just absurd.

Aside from that, national/public ownership also doesn’t automatically mean “in workers interests”. For instance, majority of capitalist countries early on had or still have their means of public transportation (railroad, buses) nationally owned. Does it mean these parts were “socialist”? Of course not - cheap public transportation allows workers to travel cheaply and faster to their workplaces, which in turns allows capital to expand and accumulate value more efficiently. In other words, their purpose was capital growth.

All in all, my main point is that despite China being labeled as a DOTP, it purely advances its national capitalist interests and does nothing to advance proletarian interests. There might be incidental benefits for the proletariat here and there (as is the norm under capitalism, economic growth sometimes bringing better standard of living and infrastructure improvements), but all the actual advancements of worker interests are promised way, way into the future.

And hey - maybe China will actually achieve communist mode of production purely on its own which would largely debunk orthodox marxism, only time will tell.

If China’s bourgeois were truly powerless with no leverage and there’s no class collaborationism going on, they wouldn’t keep them and instead nationalize everything - after all, why keep a parasitic middle man that just sucks up billions in surplus value? To build up productive forces the bourgeois aren’t necessary - the state could handle it just fine.

Also, despite being a “DOTP”, China goes against worker interests almost every step of the way. Commodity production fundamentally relies on exploitation of workers and is in the interest of capital, the supposed proletarian party is actively letting bourgeois to join as seen with Three Represents for instance, independent labor unions are crushed, international proletariat interests are also being betrayed by China (like supporting Ukraine, their recent affairs within Africa, the junta I mentioned), economic imperialism via initiatives such as BRI, etc.

Painting a bourgeois nation red is such an effective strategy to fool leftists I swear. Maybe once third imperialist war drops, every bourgeois state is gonna be calling themselves socialist! Who knows…

Nothing screams socialism more than class collaboration, active expansion of commodity production and commodity accumulation, funding military junta in Myanmar and so on. At this point China would only become socialist if its capital forces magically became conscious and went against it’s own interests.

Also good job with the slander on that last paragraph. All nation states are hitlerite, no matter if global north or south as they all brutalize their proles, are ruled by bourgeois and would happily go colonialist imperialist if they were in an economic position that necessitated it. The real chauvinism is putting some states on a pedestal and masking it with moralizing bullshit.

Also you ought to know the difference between “arbitrary collapse wouldn’t be useful and would just bring unnecessary suffering” vs “I support this empire and hope it stays forever!”. I’d much rather see all the contradictions result in US becoming a genuine DOTP once workers there finally wake up rather than millions dying for no reason other than revengeism and for some other capitalist state to take over.