MacOS is fine. Wouldn’t be as maligned if it existed in a vacuum outside the Apple business model.
Its like buying a Thinkpad new… its crazy for that price, but otherwise everything is excellent. Paying $500 for a once $5000 Thinkpad will change your opinion on the sticker shock.
We’ll they said they only scanned stuff that would have allowed them implicitly, now did they really respect that? Their ‘‘stack’’ is public, so people can review it. It’s opensource, people can audit it at least.
The big giants can lift whatever they want from Github and we wouldn’t have the means to prove it. I’m sure Microsoft is using private repos as they like. It’s not a coincidence that Copilot was one of the earlier coding LLMs.
Yeah, they aren’t supposed to scrape that stuff. That’s kind of where I’m wondering if they limited their collections.
Yeah, its a strategy when you want someone to understand something they clearly haven’t. You restate it in different words. You may have addressed it, that doesn’t mean you understood my position. I don’t mean that to sound bitchy btw. 😅 We just chatting. We cool. 👉 👉
You’re just refusing to engage with point. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Would you find it acceptable if their claims at face value were true?
Why are you assuming I am excusing their behaviour?
Sure but you moved the goalpost from ‘‘they weren’t allowed’’ to “they aren’t being honest”. There’s people in this thread who are in the repos, so we can find that out without assuming.
Also, at least their model is opensource and can easily be selfhosted on consumer hardware. Helps with your datacenter point from earlier. Like if this project does what it says its supposed to do, it’s genuinely interesting. If they are pushing the boundaries of permissive licensing then yeah that is really concerning.
So they scrapped stuff that wasn’t permissive? Interesting… though not really surprising.
Their claim was they followed the licenses and only used code they were implicitly allowed to use. I’d like to see if that was just astroturf and bullshit.
Honestly, though this is one of the reasons why people prefer copyleft and avoid permissive licenses, because yeah anyone can profit monetarily off your work otherwise.
I do not believe a permissive license has any notion of consent. You can’t stop someone from forking your code as long as they follow the rules of the license, like crediting you.
Even in GPL, you can’t stop someone from using your code, see Gnome’s recent arguements with Mint over their usage of an old version of their Calender app.
Others in the thread have mentioned we’ll see permissive licenses with exceptions for Ai in the near future. It’s a solution because that door is currently open.
But if it’s permissively licenced, couldn’t I just copy bits and pieces for my own project without asking?
Like I understand asking is always better and an opt in process for “the stack” or wtv would have been better received. Nevertheless, did they really have a legal obligation, rather than moral obligation, to ask given how this is licensed?
Taking GPL code would be a different situation right? They would have to also include it in their model creation… which theoretically they just could.
In theory, it’s all supposed to be permissively licenced code and the opt out is more than other models give. I saw Starcoder as one of the more ethical models. I thought the underlying principals to be fair at least.
I’m interested in this gut hostility to it regardless. Kind of shows how you can’t present LLMs in a positive angle no matter what. They shouldn’t be using anything GPL or similar.
I’d say the ongoing thread is more the declining use of desktops/laptops in general in favour of phones or tablets. Cloudflare’s tools doesn’t allow us to compare between either.