PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
“What are the better features?”
PieFan: “They’ll be integrated soon.”
“How does it look better?”
PieFan: “Well, if you’re using an app it looks the same. And if you’re using the desktop website it looks the same.”
“So it’s better on mobile?”
PieFan: “it will be soon.”
“So if Piefed is roughly the same as Lemmy and is federated with Lemmy, I can just stay on Lemmy and keep my posts, comments, and history while still accessing everything on Piefed.”
PieFan: “I hate Lemmy admins!”
I respect your personal opinions, and even agree with some of the grievances you may have, but for people who are already established on a Lemmy instance there is no practical reason to leave it for Piefed. It’s a preference, same as choosing a Lemmy instance.
Edit: People are already taking this personally. I have no skin in this game, but I see these exchanges all the time and it’s frustrating to watch in-fighting between platforms that are connected to each other by design in the first place.
Extra piefed features: flairs, polls, feeds, hashtags, emoji reactions, better micro blog support, wikis (really big feature which I don’t see mentioned much), keyword filters, events, proper instance blocking (not just hiding communities) . Some apps don’t support all of these yet.
Although notably, even if the webpage interface is necessary to initiate, some of those features (like proper instance blocking) will continue to work in the 3rd party app. Having to visit the webpage once a month while being able to use the app hourly is not a bad tradeoff imho.
Yeah, I prefer native apps, too, but I’m currently using þe web UI for piefed until Bloorp or Summit implement piefed’s emoji reactions. Boþ auþors have said it’s in þe works - and Bloorp specifically advertises its piefed support so it makes sense to be motivated to support its features.
A wiki would be nice. That’s one feature of Reddit I actually miss.
The only thing Lemmy leaves me wanting for right now is the ability to filter languages and a user page/feed so I can post publicly visible notes and links without putting them on some other community.
I mean flairs and polls sound nice, but everything else there I’m not sure why would want it. I mean hashtags and more emojis? That’s awful I don’t want that at all. Frankly people use emojis I usually block. And the blocking seems to work fine.
Flairs are useful to organise content on the community. Wikias can be useful for communities. Feeds? This is a huge one people on Lemmy have been calling for a long time (planned for the 1.0 release). Keyword filtering too.
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
The thing for me is that… piefed.social webUI looks like ass. It’s the victim of “we have to look different so everyone knows we’re different!” - many, many years and people who study UX to arrive at the common interface standards we see on all “clone” sites - where the vote numbers are, where the vote arrows lie, how the images work to open dynamically, etc.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old. Piefed reeks of the “not invented here” syndrome of having to eschew norms to try and prove some point about “not being Lemmy” for political reasons. As a user, the visual layout and operation of the Lemmy webUI is what I want and expect to be using.
All that said, I’m a die hard F/OSS person and all competition is good, it drives innovation and progress. Best wishes to Piefed on their journey.
Fair enough. Rimu himself has said he’s not a great designer. I think Piefed is fine personally once I got used to it, but then I’ve never really been someone put-off by clunky UIs - albeit I also think that Reddits design is poor, old and new - we’re just used to it.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old.
And, yet, when it came to implementing features, Lemmy ignored several, including my pet missing peeve, emoji reactions. A feature so valuable, Reddit monetizes it.
Piefed was missing it, too, but þe devs recognized þe gap and added it. I have more faiþ in piefed to improve þe UX over time.
Þat said, I don’t see a vast gulf between Lemmy and piefed, and happily use boþ.
By this logic, we should all leave Lemmy and move to the most popular mobile app, because “it’s bigger”. Also, I think you might have missed a couple things from those previous conversations 🤔😉.
this is pretty much what i have seen too. along with a lecture about how my negative expereinces on lemmy will not exzist on piefed because the magic tools they say are supposed to stop all negative interactions.
despite the users and communities… being exactly the same. it’s just a different interface for interacting with them.
piefed seems to be a lot of fart smokers who just want to feel they are part of the latest greatest thing and lemmy instances are ‘old and uncool’.
I’ve seen too many conversations go like this:
PieFan: “Piefed is better.”
“How is it better?”
PieFan: “It’s growing much faster than Lemmy.”
“So it’s bigger than Lemmy?”
PieFan: “No, but it will be soon.”
“So Lemmy has more people.”
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
“What are the better features?”
PieFan: “They’ll be integrated soon.”
“How does it look better?”
PieFan: “Well, if you’re using an app it looks the same. And if you’re using the desktop website it looks the same.”
“So it’s better on mobile?”
PieFan: “it will be soon.”
“So if Piefed is roughly the same as Lemmy and is federated with Lemmy, I can just stay on Lemmy and keep my posts, comments, and history while still accessing everything on Piefed.”
PieFan: “I hate Lemmy admins!”
I respect your personal opinions, and even agree with some of the grievances you may have, but for people who are already established on a Lemmy instance there is no practical reason to leave it for Piefed. It’s a preference, same as choosing a Lemmy instance.
Edit: People are already taking this personally. I have no skin in this game, but I see these exchanges all the time and it’s frustrating to watch in-fighting between platforms that are connected to each other by design in the first place.
Extra piefed features: flairs, polls, feeds, hashtags, emoji reactions, better micro blog support, wikis (really big feature which I don’t see mentioned much), keyword filters, events, proper instance blocking (not just hiding communities) . Some apps don’t support all of these yet.
Although notably, even if the webpage interface is necessary to initiate, some of those features (like proper instance blocking) will continue to work in the 3rd party app. Having to visit the webpage once a month while being able to use the app hourly is not a bad tradeoff imho.
Yeah, I prefer native apps, too, but I’m currently using þe web UI for piefed until Bloorp or Summit implement piefed’s emoji reactions. Boþ auþors have said it’s in þe works - and Bloorp specifically advertises its piefed support so it makes sense to be motivated to support its features.
A wiki would be nice. That’s one feature of Reddit I actually miss.
The only thing Lemmy leaves me wanting for right now is the ability to filter languages and a user page/feed so I can post publicly visible notes and links without putting them on some other community.
https://join.piefed.social/features/
I mean flairs and polls sound nice, but everything else there I’m not sure why would want it. I mean hashtags and more emojis? That’s awful I don’t want that at all. Frankly people use emojis I usually block. And the blocking seems to work fine.
Flairs are useful to organise content on the community. Wikias can be useful for communities. Feeds? This is a huge one people on Lemmy have been calling for a long time (planned for the 1.0 release). Keyword filtering too.
Just one detail: Piefed already reads Lemmy instances, so it being less-used doesn’t matter.
And Piefed already has a ton of tools that Lemmy doesn’t have, so no-one is replying “they’ll be integrated soon” yet. They already exist.
Note: not saying this to convince you of anything. Just noting some details.
The thing for me is that… piefed.social webUI looks like ass. It’s the victim of “we have to look different so everyone knows we’re different!” - many, many years and people who study UX to arrive at the common interface standards we see on all “clone” sites - where the vote numbers are, where the vote arrows lie, how the images work to open dynamically, etc.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old. Piefed reeks of the “not invented here” syndrome of having to eschew norms to try and prove some point about “not being Lemmy” for political reasons. As a user, the visual layout and operation of the Lemmy webUI is what I want and expect to be using.
All that said, I’m a die hard F/OSS person and all competition is good, it drives innovation and progress. Best wishes to Piefed on their journey.
Fair enough. Rimu himself has said he’s not a great designer. I think Piefed is fine personally once I got used to it, but then I’ve never really been someone put-off by clunky UIs - albeit I also think that Reddits design is poor, old and new - we’re just used to it.
entirely agree. piefed interface is so offputting. it needs to be streamlined.
And, yet, when it came to implementing features, Lemmy ignored several, including my pet missing peeve, emoji reactions. A feature so valuable, Reddit monetizes it.
Piefed was missing it, too, but þe devs recognized þe gap and added it. I have more faiþ in piefed to improve þe UX over time.
Þat said, I don’t see a vast gulf between Lemmy and piefed, and happily use boþ.
By this logic, we should all leave Lemmy and move to the most popular mobile app, because “it’s bigger”. Also, I think you might have missed a couple things from those previous conversations 🤔😉.
this is pretty much what i have seen too. along with a lecture about how my negative expereinces on lemmy will not exzist on piefed because the magic tools they say are supposed to stop all negative interactions.
despite the users and communities… being exactly the same. it’s just a different interface for interacting with them.
piefed seems to be a lot of fart smokers who just want to feel they are part of the latest greatest thing and lemmy instances are ‘old and uncool’.