None of them can explain why “merit based” systems that result in only white males getting promoted can still be called merit based. They haven’t spoken to as many incompetent white men in leadership as I have i suppose. My favorite one violates employee rights so often he has his own HR rep assigned to him, instead of just firing him for the verbal and sexual harassment.
It’s literally just Prosperity Gospel. They believe we already live in a meritocracy, therefore the white people that were getting the jobs were the most qualified. They’re there because they’re the best, and they’re the best because they’re there. Therefore any efforts to give a chance to people who didn’t have those same opportunities through DEI programs necessarily requires that those people are not as good of candidates.
It is literally impossible for these people to understand that they aren’t changing the requirements at all in almost any case. That all that’s happening in most any case of a DEI program is that they’re giving the same consideration to a black or brown person that didn’t have the same networking connections as the legacy white guy whose Dad goes to the same country club as the hiring manager or whatever.
Which is absolutely hilarious when you think about it. Because if our system was annually based on merit half of these people crying about “DEI Hires” would never actually have gotten hired themselves for their own positions. Most of these people are where they are because of who their parents were and who they knew. If you peeled that away and evaluated them anonymously against a comparable “DEI Hire” they’d get BTFO pretty much every time.
when investing in education isn’t evenly distributed.
Can’t have a meritocracy without equity in opportunity. Anyone who claims they support a meritocracy but not social programs to make it possible is full of shit.
Im pro meritocracy! Thats very easily explainable. Its because of a couple factors, but the big ones are lack of generational wealth among minorities and a differance in avialability of opportunity.
Because of societal issues in the past, minorities were less positioned to take advantage of people the economy. This means they were unable to accrue generational wealth, which directly leads into support systems that every single person relies on. Without that generational wealth you are less likely to take risks, stunting further economic growth. It also limits your ability to network, which is how you gain influence.
This directly leads to lower quality of education, less vocational training, higher crime rates, and a slew of other issues, which all directly impact your ability to gain and maintain new skills.
I believe the best person available should be flying my plane. Under our current system, that “best person” is likely a white male pilot because he had the strongest support systems and the generational wealth required to grant him the opportunities to refine his skills. Im not racist for wanting the best pilot. I would be racist if i failed to recognise that that best pilot is going to be white due to historical imbalance of opportunity.
In fairness, that doesn’t sound like a problem with the merit-based system, sounds more like your organisation’s HR policies and enforcement are just weaker than cheap beer.
[…] as many incompetent white men in leadership as I have i suppose. My favorite one violates employee rights so often he has his own HR rep assigned to him, instead of just firing him for the verbal and sexual harassment.
That senior employee is being held there by either a system that doesn’t value its employees which would be a HR issue; or is showing behaviours that aren’t being challenged by their own line management - also indirectly an HR issue. You can have fifteen different systems for promoting the workforce but they would fail if they’re not challenged effectively or the HR policies aren’t robust enough to get this dude sacked.
The problem with having too many white males
I absolutely agree with you with this part. There’s dozens of reasons why this is the case. It’s a global tragedy that we’ve got this far in the world and we’ve not been able to remove the barriers for people in minority or marginalised groups entering or rising through the workforce.
The number and nature of those barriers is worth of - and have been - studies in themselves.
None of them can explain why “merit based” systems that result in only white males getting promoted can still be called merit based. They haven’t spoken to as many incompetent white men in leadership as I have i suppose. My favorite one violates employee rights so often he has his own HR rep assigned to him, instead of just firing him for the verbal and sexual harassment.
It’s literally just Prosperity Gospel. They believe we already live in a meritocracy, therefore the white people that were getting the jobs were the most qualified. They’re there because they’re the best, and they’re the best because they’re there. Therefore any efforts to give a chance to people who didn’t have those same opportunities through DEI programs necessarily requires that those people are not as good of candidates.
It is literally impossible for these people to understand that they aren’t changing the requirements at all in almost any case. That all that’s happening in most any case of a DEI program is that they’re giving the same consideration to a black or brown person that didn’t have the same networking connections as the legacy white guy whose Dad goes to the same country club as the hiring manager or whatever.
Which is absolutely hilarious when you think about it. Because if our system was annually based on merit half of these people crying about “DEI Hires” would never actually have gotten hired themselves for their own positions. Most of these people are where they are because of who their parents were and who they knew. If you peeled that away and evaluated them anonymously against a comparable “DEI Hire” they’d get BTFO pretty much every time.
to these white supremacists and white supremacist apologists, the current secdef is qualified.
Ohh, so that’s why they’re often called “job creators”
Or about how “meritocracy” is an intrinsic classist system, when investing in education isn’t evenly distributed.
Can’t have a meritocracy without equity in opportunity. Anyone who claims they support a meritocracy but not social programs to make it possible is full of shit.
Equal opportunity with public funds to fully support that in education and basic needs.
Oh yeah it doesnt start and stop at education for sure. Housing security, food security, the list goes on.
And, IMO, well worth it for so many reasons.
I’m sure they could could explain it but them they’d have to explain their Totenkopf tattoo.
Im pro meritocracy! Thats very easily explainable. Its because of a couple factors, but the big ones are lack of generational wealth among minorities and a differance in avialability of opportunity.
Because of societal issues in the past, minorities were less positioned to take advantage of
peoplethe economy. This means they were unable to accrue generational wealth, which directly leads into support systems that every single person relies on. Without that generational wealth you are less likely to take risks, stunting further economic growth. It also limits your ability to network, which is how you gain influence.This directly leads to lower quality of education, less vocational training, higher crime rates, and a slew of other issues, which all directly impact your ability to gain and maintain new skills.
I believe the best person available should be flying my plane. Under our current system, that “best person” is likely a white male pilot because he had the strongest support systems and the generational wealth required to grant him the opportunities to refine his skills. Im not racist for wanting the best pilot. I would be racist if i failed to recognise that that best pilot is going to be white due to historical imbalance of opportunity.
In fairness, that doesn’t sound like a problem with the merit-based system, sounds more like your organisation’s HR policies and enforcement are just weaker than cheap beer.
The problem with having too many white males isn’t an issue with “meritocracy”?
That is a different question:
That senior employee is being held there by either a system that doesn’t value its employees which would be a HR issue; or is showing behaviours that aren’t being challenged by their own line management - also indirectly an HR issue. You can have fifteen different systems for promoting the workforce but they would fail if they’re not challenged effectively or the HR policies aren’t robust enough to get this dude sacked.
I absolutely agree with you with this part. There’s dozens of reasons why this is the case. It’s a global tragedy that we’ve got this far in the world and we’ve not been able to remove the barriers for people in minority or marginalised groups entering or rising through the workforce.
The number and nature of those barriers is worth of - and have been - studies in themselves.
You’re argument is weaker than a bucket of beer flavored piss…