Just a heads up to everyone else here, this is not sarcasm. I’m pretty sure this user is saying that the US Gov is as bad as (if not worse than, if you read their follow-up comments) ISIS.
depends on your metrics for compariosn ? # of wars conducted ? # of innocents killed ? # of foreign governments overturned ? # of citizens jailed ? the US leads all those metrics for example.
Search online which country is seen as the bigger threat to the world, Americans will be shocked. The surveys are conducted on regular basis so there isn’t any room for mental gymnastics.
Since the inception, USA has always been imperialist and since the end of World War II, has been involved in more global conflicts than any other countries. USA merely operates on “lesser evil” framework. And up until recently, USA has been secular, but democratic? Hardly to begin with. Just ask black Americans, Native Americans, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Iraqis and Latin Americans. The US ignored the UN resolutions many times, especially on not invading Iraq under false pretense of hiding weapons of mass destruction. So, USA has always been a terrorist state but in different name and face. I would go so far as to say that Trump took off the facade of the country as the shining beacon on the hill. After all, American people had been demanding for authenticity.
Blah, blah, blah, America bad, America bad. I thought the attack on the Russian data centres put you guys out of commision?
I’d rather a lessor evil framework than… Oh wait your not suggesting anything because you’re an empty vessel for campist brain rot.
Nobody cares about “imperialism”, they care about living standards, representation, and economic prosperity. America has strived to realise these ideals and helped other nations reach them to through its international humanitarian efforts and security guarentees.
Any failure to meet their own standards pales in comparison to actual terrorists who don’t have those standards to begin with, so your use of that word really exposes your ignorance.
Btw the UN means nothing, it’s a glorified group chat for tinpot dictators and despots. A majority of the member states fall below 6 on the democratic index, i.e. they are corrupt authoritarian shit-holes.
I’d rather a lessor evil framework than… Oh wait your not suggesting anything because you’re an empty vessel for campist brain rot.
Any failure to meet their own standards pales in comparison to actual terrorists who don’t have those standards to begin with, so your use of that word really exposes your ignorance.
Sorry to say this to you lib, but if Saddam wasn’t toppled, ISIS would not even have come out in the first place. Saddam’s secular regime was what was stopping the theocratic terrorism that you yourself had been criticising. So if you want to talk about “lessor evil”, then maybe you should not be doing your own terrorism. You created ISIS simply because your country wanted oil at the obvious pretense of “spreading freedom”.
Lmao, yea Saddam was a great guy, everyone was cheering for him during the Al-Khald Hall purge. Glad to hear you defend a dictator so openly while speaking about the evils of a secular democracy from the other side of your mouth.
It’s really gross how you remove all agency from literal terrorists because apparently you think so little of Arabs. “ISIS had no choice but to fill a power vacuum with civilian blood, they’re just poor little guys :(”
And again, you are lying about what terrorism is to suit your obvious propaganda.
You’re the one who harped and promoted about choosing “lessor evil” and when it’s turned to you, you are now denying it. In reality, US plays Superman who may have defeated an enemy, but the material destruction and collateral casualties are left to others to clean it all up.
Yes you’re right, the standard we should hold for the US is being able to see into the future, but for ISIS the standard is not killing some women they can sex traffic because you think they are savages with no moral agency. Very woke of you.
the material destruction and collateral casualties are left to others to clean it all up.
You’re lies aren’t even convincing, like why do you think America spent so much time there after Saddam was deposed? They were pumping billions into the country trying to stabilise it. Iraqi leaders had every opportunity to capitalise on that but chose to pursue sectarianism and corruption instead.
ISIS is chiefly concerned with butchering anyone, regardless of civilian status, to gain, and maintain through fear, power in a region.
Hmm, who does that remind me of? Israel? Yes, that shining beacon of democracy that gets almost unlimited weapons of mass destruction from the US to kill a majority of unarmed civilians.
And btw, the US may have “laws against targetting civilians” but it doesn’t mean these laws are followed. There are ample records of this.
Ample records of disproportionate strikes? Yes. Ample records of targetting civilians? No. Those rules of engagement are absolutely followed, and we know this from the thousands of instances where strikes were called off because civilian presence in the area changed. They keep endless records because they are accountable to Congress.
It’s a moot point when comparing America to ISIS because terrorists definitionally don’t have any concept of proportionality because killing civilians is the goal.
I don’t really care to argue I/P, that conflict is forever fucked and nobody knows anything about it.
There are many of those. For a start, the IDF sets ‘kill lines’ and declares (without evidence) that anyone who crosses them is a ‘terrorist’ even if it is where they lived for years: https://israelpalestinenews.org/no-civilians-idf-soldiers-reveal-killings-lawlessness-in-gaza/, and there are records of many in the IDF saying ‘there are no civilians here’. To quote from actual people in the IDF: “That evening, our battalion commander congratulated us for killing a terrorist, saying he hoped we’d kill ten more tomorrow,” the fighter adds. “When someone pointed out he was unarmed and looked like a civilian, everyone shouted him down. The commander said: ‘Anyone crossing the line is a terrorist, no exceptions, no civilians. Everyone’s a terrorist.’ This deeply troubled me – did I leave my home to sleep in a mouse-infested building for this? To shoot unarmed people?”
The position that all Palestinians and their assets, civilian or not, are fair game for targeting seems to be a long-standing position of the Israeli military: e.g. see “During war there are no civilians” in https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2010/9/8/during-war-there-are-no-civilians. Isaac Herzog (the president) said there are no innocent civilians in Gaza: https://thewire.in/world/northern-gaza-israel-palestine-conflict. “I think it will be possible to declare ‘we have won’ within a few months. Gaza will be completely destroyed, its civilians will be concentrated south of the Morag Axis - and from there, they will leave in large numbers to third countries” - Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich.
So yes, there are ample records of targeting civilians.
ISIS does it = terrorism.
US Gov does it = justice.
They’re both the same.
Just a heads up to everyone else here, this is not sarcasm. I’m pretty sure this user is saying that the US Gov is as bad as (if not worse than, if you read their follow-up comments) ISIS.
depends on your metrics for compariosn ? # of wars conducted ? # of innocents killed ? # of foreign governments overturned ? # of citizens jailed ? the US leads all those metrics for example.
Search online which country is seen as the bigger threat to the world, Americans will be shocked. The surveys are conducted on regular basis so there isn’t any room for mental gymnastics.
The world super power and global hegemon for secular western democracy is the same as a theocratic insurgency terror org? Wow I had no idea.
Are you referring to ISIS or the US government here. It’s hard to tell from the description.
Since the inception, USA has always been imperialist and since the end of World War II, has been involved in more global conflicts than any other countries. USA merely operates on “lesser evil” framework. And up until recently, USA has been secular, but democratic? Hardly to begin with. Just ask black Americans, Native Americans, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Iraqis and Latin Americans. The US ignored the UN resolutions many times, especially on not invading Iraq under false pretense of hiding weapons of mass destruction. So, USA has always been a terrorist state but in different name and face. I would go so far as to say that Trump took off the facade of the country as the shining beacon on the hill. After all, American people had been demanding for authenticity.
Blah, blah, blah, America bad, America bad. I thought the attack on the Russian data centres put you guys out of commision?
I’d rather a lessor evil framework than… Oh wait your not suggesting anything because you’re an empty vessel for campist brain rot.
Nobody cares about “imperialism”, they care about living standards, representation, and economic prosperity. America has strived to realise these ideals and helped other nations reach them to through its international humanitarian efforts and security guarentees.
Any failure to meet their own standards pales in comparison to actual terrorists who don’t have those standards to begin with, so your use of that word really exposes your ignorance.
Btw the UN means nothing, it’s a glorified group chat for tinpot dictators and despots. A majority of the member states fall below 6 on the democratic index, i.e. they are corrupt authoritarian shit-holes.
Sorry to say this to you lib, but if Saddam wasn’t toppled, ISIS would not even have come out in the first place. Saddam’s secular regime was what was stopping the theocratic terrorism that you yourself had been criticising. So if you want to talk about “lessor evil”, then maybe you should not be doing your own terrorism. You created ISIS simply because your country wanted oil at the obvious pretense of “spreading freedom”.
Lmao, yea Saddam was a great guy, everyone was cheering for him during the Al-Khald Hall purge. Glad to hear you defend a dictator so openly while speaking about the evils of a secular democracy from the other side of your mouth.
It’s really gross how you remove all agency from literal terrorists because apparently you think so little of Arabs. “ISIS had no choice but to fill a power vacuum with civilian blood, they’re just poor little guys :(”
And again, you are lying about what terrorism is to suit your obvious propaganda.
You’re the one who harped and promoted about choosing “lessor evil” and when it’s turned to you, you are now denying it. In reality, US plays Superman who may have defeated an enemy, but the material destruction and collateral casualties are left to others to clean it all up.
Yes you’re right, the standard we should hold for the US is being able to see into the future, but for ISIS the standard is not killing some women they can sex traffic because you think they are savages with no moral agency. Very woke of you.
You’re lies aren’t even convincing, like why do you think America spent so much time there after Saddam was deposed? They were pumping billions into the country trying to stabilise it. Iraqi leaders had every opportunity to capitalise on that but chose to pursue sectarianism and corruption instead.
Bold angle coming from a much younger account literally named “tankiesmasher” that seems to only contribute anti-communist talking points.
Ah yes, the pro-American, pro-NATO, pro-Ukraine Russian bots, I must be one of those 🤡
Hope you got a good look at my profile while you were desperately searching for something besides my arguments to talk about.
No one said, nor implied, you are a Russian bot. It’s disturbing how confidently you missed the point.
I really don’t care about the semantics of your ad hom.
That’s not the reason ISIS are labelled as terrorists.
Terrorists kill innocent people to spread terror. The US would never kill innocents except for all the innocents they kill.
Exactly, to spread terror. You’ve correctly identified that motive is a part of the definition. Congrats.
The US is chiefly concerned with fighting militants for material strategic goals, and has laws against targetting civilians.
ISIS is chiefly concerned with butchering anyone, regardless of civilian status, to gain, and maintain through fear, power in a region.
Hmm, who does that remind me of? Israel? Yes, that shining beacon of democracy that gets almost unlimited weapons of mass destruction from the US to kill a majority of unarmed civilians.
And btw, the US may have “laws against targetting civilians” but it doesn’t mean these laws are followed. There are ample records of this.
Ample records of disproportionate strikes? Yes. Ample records of targetting civilians? No. Those rules of engagement are absolutely followed, and we know this from the thousands of instances where strikes were called off because civilian presence in the area changed. They keep endless records because they are accountable to Congress.
It’s a moot point when comparing America to ISIS because terrorists definitionally don’t have any concept of proportionality because killing civilians is the goal.
I don’t really care to argue I/P, that conflict is forever fucked and nobody knows anything about it.
There are many of those. For a start, the IDF sets ‘kill lines’ and declares (without evidence) that anyone who crosses them is a ‘terrorist’ even if it is where they lived for years: https://israelpalestinenews.org/no-civilians-idf-soldiers-reveal-killings-lawlessness-in-gaza/, and there are records of many in the IDF saying ‘there are no civilians here’. To quote from actual people in the IDF: “That evening, our battalion commander congratulated us for killing a terrorist, saying he hoped we’d kill ten more tomorrow,” the fighter adds. “When someone pointed out he was unarmed and looked like a civilian, everyone shouted him down. The commander said: ‘Anyone crossing the line is a terrorist, no exceptions, no civilians. Everyone’s a terrorist.’ This deeply troubled me – did I leave my home to sleep in a mouse-infested building for this? To shoot unarmed people?”
There’s numerous heartbreaking stories of civilians being rounded up, of executions and the like. Children are targeted too: https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167790. Clearly identified Humanitarian Vehicles like fire engines and ambulances have been attacked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_paramedic_massacre.
Massive numbers of civilian houses have been deliberately flattened for no legitimate military purpose, for devastating effect on civilians: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-88500-6_8
In the middle of a critical water shortage for Gazan civilians, civilian water infrastructure has been repeatedly targeted - see for example https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/9/1/destroyed-desalination-plant-worsens-gazas-drinking-water-crisis.
The position that all Palestinians and their assets, civilian or not, are fair game for targeting seems to be a long-standing position of the Israeli military: e.g. see “During war there are no civilians” in https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2010/9/8/during-war-there-are-no-civilians. Isaac Herzog (the president) said there are no innocent civilians in Gaza: https://thewire.in/world/northern-gaza-israel-palestine-conflict. “I think it will be possible to declare ‘we have won’ within a few months. Gaza will be completely destroyed, its civilians will be concentrated south of the Morag Axis - and from there, they will leave in large numbers to third countries” - Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich.
So yes, there are ample records of targeting civilians.