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flere-imsaho 🇺🇦 (@mawhrin@circumstances.run)
circumstances.runfolks, i'm sorry to inform you that justin m. keyes, the core dev of @neovim@hachyderm.io absolutely *hated* the idea of removing an endorsement by a bona fide fascist from the main webpage of the neovim editor.
what happened: i've opened a ticket asking to remove the heinemeier hansson quote; keyes responded to the ticket a few times, first with simply “don't care”, then [with more angry elucidation](https://social.orva.fi/@orva/statuses/01M11PG7BASVGM95BM4A2ZAE0S), then closed as not planned, and finally the issue was removed altogether.
unfortunately i have only mail receipts and a screenshot, both missing the rage part of the episode.
there's [another open *undeleted* issue though](https://github.com/neovim/neovim.github.io/issues/501) which presents the attitude of keyes quite well.
added: another core maintainer of neovim, tj devries, is scheduled to speak during dhh's omacon. well.
and thanks to a friendly dm, i can re-create the text of my ticket here:
> hey
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> on the main neovim's page you quote an impression/endorsement from David Heinemeier Hansson, a [white supremacionist](https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64) who recently [called for ethnic cleansing of immigrants; specifically the roma people](https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a).
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> if you could reconsider quoting an endorsement from a bona fide fascist on your website, that would be very helpful. (please do note that duke's university [decided to drop basecamp in 2023](https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/11/30/why-were-dropping-basecamp/) specifically because of heinemeier hansson's white supremacist antics.)
So that was an actual Hitler quote. The Hitler, not someone random a kid is calling Hitler.
And as I expected, no one even recognized it, and it even got an upvote from a neolib (receipts saved). And why not, it’s a good quote, irrespective of its source!
This is yet another proof that people who shout “Nazi bar” everywhere (except the senate, congress, …) actually know nothing about Nazis, the real actual Nazis, not whoever is getting the tag in the latest witch hunt, deservedly or (often) otherwise.
Anyone with a functioning intellectual brain recognized from day one that this manic genetic-fallacy guilt-by-association combo on the loose was itself a manifestation of the anti-intellectual post-truth new normal.
Are you sure? Because I can’t find anything anywhere on the internet saying he said it.
Do you have his exact words in German so I can search for them?
Drawing that conclusion from your comment’s only response being one upvote is a leap.
Weak diversion attempt.
The main point was that people who shout “Nazi” wouldn’t recognize literal Hitler quotes right in front them. I can play a “Hitler or <some neolib>” quotes game all day.
This reverse-Godwin* strain of mania is just getting old. And the illogical and counter-productive mob-like activity that comes with it doesn’t work on people anymore. But feel free to continue circlejerking about it in mastodon and co.
*Call someone Nazi first, and go from there.
That’s one of many conclusions that can be drawn from the fact that only one person engaged with your comment. It’s just as valid to conclude that people who read it recognised it but didn’t respond.
I understand your point, I just don’t think it’s held up by anything that’s happened here. I also think it’s a diversion from the main topic: a neovim maintainer doubled-down on siding with the racist idealogue DHH.
I haven’t called DHH a Nazi. I’m perfectly content to call him a racist, because he says racist things and espouses racist views. It doesn’t bother me if people do call him a Nazi, because to me his views and rhetoric are just as abhorrent even if they are not technically all tenets of National Socialism. Debating whether he meets all the criteria for being a Nazi or a Christian Nationalist or a Fascist is a distraction from acknowledging that the things he says have real, negative and dangerous consequences for marginalised people.