Well, since you can’t get rid of them, and since “guns for everybody all the time” is a strawman that actually means “guns for people who haven’t proved themselves to be a danger to themselves or others yet,” I’m gonna say I prefer the “innocent until proven guilty” model.
That still isn’t “everybody,” all felonies, DV misdemeanors, adjudicated IVCs, children, and drug addicts (admittedly self reported on that one, but still), all bar you from gun ownership even in the land of 600,000,000 guns (not an exaggeration). Actually I even think for nonviolent felons there should be a path back to gun ownership and voting (they also lose that right, as fucked up as it is), and some violent misdemeanors should be added to the list (something like simple assault can be the result of just a fight, but robbery or aggravated battery otoh should probably be on there even in places where it isn’t a felony, and it should probably just be a felony in those places too but what can ya do.)
And yes, criminals gonna criminal, but I’d prefer that if they can just get them anyway, so can I. If even in Aus the criminals can still get them, then the US has no hope that we can stop it either. You’re an island with 90% unusable territory that only has to control the ports and you still have smugglers, we can’t even control our ports either much less the two big ass land borders and we never will, we will always have smugglers.
Are you rich and powerful? Because if so you could get one yes.
I couldnt get a gun. I couldn’t just nip round my mates house and nick his dad’s. They are rare and expensive and risky af to own. Not just anybody can have one. I bet most people in the West outside USA havent even seen one. You’re not going to need one to defend yourself from one because the people who actually have them aren’t going to risk getting caught for a simple mugging, and theyre not walking around constantly strapped in case they lose their temper at some mundane shit.
If you want a gun to protect yourself from guns, you’re already living in Breaking Bad.
Edit to add : im not Australian but I assume its the same everywhere where the bad has worked
Something about stabbings and kidnappings was mentioned earlier? Guns aren’t only to protect against guns, in fact the only time I’ve ever had to “use” a gun for self defense it was because a guy pulled a knife on me. “Use” because I only had to show it, not shoot it, thankfully.
But they can come in handy, even for us lesser people, the poors, even though I don’t make meth, it’s all made in the surrounding rural towns and trafficked here.
I see what you’re saying, but the answer isnt actually “guns for everybody all the time.”
Criminals gonna criminal.
Well, since you can’t get rid of them, and since “guns for everybody all the time” is a strawman that actually means “guns for people who haven’t proved themselves to be a danger to themselves or others yet,” I’m gonna say I prefer the “innocent until proven guilty” model.
That still isn’t “everybody,” all felonies, DV misdemeanors, adjudicated IVCs, children, and drug addicts (admittedly self reported on that one, but still), all bar you from gun ownership even in the land of 600,000,000 guns (not an exaggeration). Actually I even think for nonviolent felons there should be a path back to gun ownership and voting (they also lose that right, as fucked up as it is), and some violent misdemeanors should be added to the list (something like simple assault can be the result of just a fight, but robbery or aggravated battery otoh should probably be on there even in places where it isn’t a felony, and it should probably just be a felony in those places too but what can ya do.)
And yes, criminals gonna criminal, but I’d prefer that if they can just get them anyway, so can I. If even in Aus the criminals can still get them, then the US has no hope that we can stop it either. You’re an island with 90% unusable territory that only has to control the ports and you still have smugglers, we can’t even control our ports either much less the two big ass land borders and we never will, we will always have smugglers.
Are you rich and powerful? Because if so you could get one yes.
I couldnt get a gun. I couldn’t just nip round my mates house and nick his dad’s. They are rare and expensive and risky af to own. Not just anybody can have one. I bet most people in the West outside USA havent even seen one. You’re not going to need one to defend yourself from one because the people who actually have them aren’t going to risk getting caught for a simple mugging, and theyre not walking around constantly strapped in case they lose their temper at some mundane shit.
If you want a gun to protect yourself from guns, you’re already living in Breaking Bad.
Edit to add : im not Australian but I assume its the same everywhere where the bad has worked
Something about stabbings and kidnappings was mentioned earlier? Guns aren’t only to protect against guns, in fact the only time I’ve ever had to “use” a gun for self defense it was because a guy pulled a knife on me. “Use” because I only had to show it, not shoot it, thankfully.
But they can come in handy, even for us lesser people, the poors, even though I don’t make meth, it’s all made in the surrounding rural towns and trafficked here.
Good point and well made. I guess theres no such thing as a perfect system, just a series of trade offs.