Why are the IDEs of @jetbrains becoming worse and worse and worse? Right now I have a window which I cannot close because no menu visible. Cursor is always hidden, have to use the mouse. It is so annoying…

  • Mikina@programming.dev
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    13 days ago

    Once JetBrains started to get into AI bullshit, I immediately canceled my subscription.

    You get a permanent perpetual license for the version you spend a year paying for, so I have been just using the version before they started sloppifying the entire editor. It runs ok, and does what I need, don’t see a reason to upgrade.

    I’ve recently gotten access to a license at work, and oh my god the editor has gotten so much more worse and slower after the two years. It sucks, I liked JetBrains as a company, but at this point I would not recommend it to anyone, unless installing like an ancient version.

    But yeah, in the toolbox you can install older versions. Go with like 2023-24 one and you’ll have a much better experience.

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      13 days ago

      I graduated college and my student license for JetBrains expired. So I switched to VSCodium (free). I’m very glad to hear that I am not missing out because of the price-motivated switch I made. Of course, I don’t actually benefit in any way but psychologically from hearing the thing I gave up isn’t worth it anymore, sour grapes from an LLM-hater, but…

      Also, nice reminder to unsub from the community, I don’t use JetBrains anymore and probably should not be occupying the community. Just went and did that, especially given how I would find people commenting “I hate X” in a fan community for X (probably drive-bys from All or Local) annoying. Don’t want to be part of the behavior I don’t like!

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        12 days ago

        Thank you for this comment, especially the second part - thanks to that I’ve realized it’s something I’ve been guilty of doing ever since a lot of the things I used to love started getting heavily enshittified, and most of my comments are exactly what you are mentioning, and I never realized that until you said it.

        I’ll do the same! While I wasn’t making the comments malliciously, mostly just sharing my disappointment as a way of giving feedback to the product in question, but I didn’t really occur to me that there’s really no point that doesn’t add anything to the discussion, and there’s really no reason to spend time doing that. It’s something I never really thought about, but what you’re saying makes sense, so thanks for mentioning it.

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          I’ve realized it’s something I’ve been guilty of doing ever since a lot of the things I used to love started getting heavily enshittified

          I do try to deal with seeing this kind of comment by also considering how annoying and disappointing it is seeing things you liked get worse. !deshittification@thebrainbin.org (not my community) for a bit more positivity, for “here’s stuff you can actually do to change things for the better, instead of just complaining on the internet”. I figure it is better to channel that rage productively in a way that helps me leave for better alternatives, instead of in a way that does not make life better in any way besides relieving the emotion. Maybe someone else’s if my angry comment is the tipping point for a reader to leave the enshittified product, but…

          But yeah. I both feel the outrage, and feel like expressing it without pointing to alternatives is often only giving others more fuel to doomscroll with. (And yes, I also unfortunately sometimes post angrily without adding anything constructive! Just check my comment history…) I thank you for your thoughtful reply and totally get where you are coming from. My comment probably comes across way more castigating towards you than I want it to be—I really appreciate your reaction.