• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
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    Everyone wants to play the victim. No one wants to do the hard work to protect the victims. Human nature.

    But whining about it online doesn’t change shit. I guarantee you the real victims aren’t here on Lemmy.

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      Everyone wants to be a victim. No one wants to do the hard work to protect the victims. Human nature.

      But whining about it online doesn’t change shit.

      Are you kidding me? What do you know about Salamence’s life, situation, or actions? What gives you the right to lecture like this?

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        The fact that they’re lecturing us from the same position lol. That’s what made me want to comment in the first place.

        But it’s fine, I was trying to get past that with my edit calling for everyone to work together. But I guess as usual leftists working together proves impossible. Big part of why the world is so shit.

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          The fact that they’re lecturing us from the same position lol. That’s what made me want to comment in the first place.

          the same position

          Salamence:

          Dont blame me, im one of the victims of your fascist empire

          Clearly not the same position. You assumed the person posting was in the same position, which was incorrect.

          But it’s fine, I was trying to get past that with my edit calling for everyone to work together. But I guess as usual leftists working together proves impossible. Big part of why the world is so shit.

          Solidarity is good. But people in the imperial core can’t expect solidarity if they don’t give it.

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            They’re in the same position of ignorance about the people they’re arguing with and criticizing online as I am.

            What kind of solidarity would you like to see from me that you feel is lacking?

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              Salamence made a post with a meme criticizing American troops who murdered people in the third world. That’s not a position of ignorance, everyone knows what happened there.

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                I mean the title is clearly directed at random American civilians, not just military folks. Although yes, they are ignorant about people who are in the military too.

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                  I mean the title is clearly directed at random American civilians, not just military folks. Although yes, they are ignorant about people who are in the military too.

                  Is this seriously a reply where the first sentence attempts to avoid seeming like a defense of soldiers while the second sentence is an overt defense of soldiers?

                  I mean the title is clearly directed at random American civilians

                  Really? Is it that clear? Don’t soldiers vote for Kamala too?

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                    I’m not defending soldiers. I do think the position that it’s wrong to join or support the US military is obviously correct. But of course that doesn’t change the fact that we have no direct knowledge of why people do these things on an individual basis. Since you brought it up I thought I’d point that out. But I feel like now we’re arguing just to argue.

                    It seemed clear to me. If that wasn’t the intention then I don’t know?

                    I’m just really sick of all of the finger-pointing between people about very insignificant actions people did or didn’t do that may or may not have led us to this moment. I’d rather talk about how we get out of it.

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          calling for everyone to work together

          Really? From this reply you made clear what you want is to share the blame

          We live in an interconnected world. The fascist empire exists in part because the world allows it to.

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            Everyone shares blame, that’s just the reality, whether people want to admit it or not. It means me, yes. But it also means you.

            I don’t know why no one will admit that yes, they are partially to blame. I think that IS the first step to working together. If people don’t feel responsibility to act because it’s someone else’s responsibility, then they won’t.