In all honesty, neither party deserves any good luck.
The Iranian government during the 12 day war focused on military targets, and when they struck targets in other countries in the Middle East they also focused on military targets, and this is why the civilian casualty rate was either nothing or next to nothing (not Iran’s fault Israel stuck their military headquarters in cities to use their people as human shields), Israel struck at least five hospitals in Iran and apartment buildings, the literal only defense of the Iranian people is their government, the literal only body able to render help and protection is their own government
The Iranian government have killed thousands of their own people only in the last few months.
Think before you speak, and read before you think.
To echo avatar of vengeance, Fuck you
To echo the meme (but still not insult you or wish you go fuck yourself), are you fucking kidding me?
Listen to a wise word from someone who is (most probably) older than you (or waste it - I really don’t care much): you don’t have to find out who the least-inhumane party is in any conflict and support that party against the other, because at the end of the day you would still be supporting inhumane people.
PS: you’ll notice I didn’t even reply to the other user - they are clearly beyond salvation but maybe you aren’t
You’re quoting an article written by the people who started this was, which they wrote to drum up support for this war. And the event it’s about is a military attack organised by these same nations.
Sure, and both parties in the war between America and Afghanistan don’t deserve support and yet only one side lost hundreds of thousands if not a million people
And both parties in the war between America and Iraq don’t deserve support and yet only one side lost hundreds of thousands if not a million people (on top of the million murdered via sanctions)
And both parties in the government overthrow of Libya by America don’t deserve support and yet only one side had their infrastructure bombed, and went from being the most successful country in their continent to a failed state
I’m about forty and have no idea if you’re older than me but clearly age doesn’t guarantee wisdom
Also the people the Iranian government killed were literally armed, there’s literally footage of them shooting people; I have zero faith in the sources claiming those numbers and the Iranian government is 100% justified in taking out violent, armed traitors, which even our own government said had mossad embedded between them
I’ll absolutely talk smack about the Iranian government when their country is safe, like I would with comprador states, but in a time when Iran is fighting for its life I’ll offer critical (only slightly critical) support; even the anti-government Iranians began seeking national unity after Israel literally bombed five hospitals and apartment buildings in the 12 day war; they’re not stupid, they know what their enemies are going to do to them. You AREN’T supporting the Iranian people if you aren’t supporting the ones fighting back and keeping the country safe; if not the Iranian government, who else in Iran is fighting Israel and America?
It’s an imperialist war, of course we want the empire to lose. If Iran loses it will be disastrous, look at what happened to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.
We don’t give a shit about finding blameless victims because this is real life and real people are suffering.
The mainstream media in the West is committed to portraying the protests in Iran as strictly an internal affair. The people of Iran, so the argument goes, spontaneously rose up against their government because they were in desperate straits due to their leaders’ corruption and mismanagement of the economy, as well as their oppressive policies. Virtually all the protestors in this story were peaceful, but their protests were met with government violence. Outside forces had little to do with causing the protests.
This interpretation of what happened in Iran is wrong and contradicted by an abundance of evidence. None of this is to deny that there were many peaceful protestors who had legitimate grievances against the government, but that is only part of the story.
If fact, what happened in Iran is an attempt by the Israeli & American tag team to overthrow the government in Tehran and break apart Iran, much the way the US, Turkey, and Israel fractured Syria. The playbook in Iran is one we have seen before. It has four elements.
First, the US has long been working to wreck the Iranian economy with sanctions. Indeed, President Trump redoubled those efforts after moving into the White House last January (2025). His aim was to bring “maximum pressure” to bear on Iran’s economy and he did just that. There is no question that Iran’s leaders mismanaged their economy in certain ways, but Western sanctions did far more damage than government ineptitude. The ultimate goal of the sanctions, of course, is to inflict so much pain and punishment on the Iranian people that they rise up and overthrow their government.
Second, the tag team went to work in late December 2025 to foment and support violent protests that would precipitate a violent government response, which would hopefully set off a spiral of violence that the government could not control. To be more specific, there is clear evidence that Mossad agents were on the ground in Iran and surely there were CIA operatives working alongside them. They worked closely with local agitators — the rioters who were bent on destruction and assassination — to turn the peaceful protests into violent protests, which would then lead the government to turn to violence. There is abundant video footage of the agitators at work.
Moreover, the tag team sent many thousands of Starlink terminals into Iran before the protests began. Should the government shut down the internet and the phone system – as expected – the Starlink terminals would allow the protestors to communicate among themselves and with the outside forces helping them.
Unsurprisingly, Trump was cheering on the protestors, saying on 13 January 2026: “Iranian Patriots, KEEP PROTESTING - TAKE OVER YOUR INSTITUTIONS!!!.. HELP IS ON ITS WAY.” Trump’s first CIA director, Mike Pompeo, said on 2 January 2026: “Happy New Year to every Iranian in the streets. Also, to every Mossad agent walking beside them.” And just as the protests were beginning in late December 2025, Mossad sent a message in Farsi to Iranians saying: “Go out together into the streets. The time has come. We are with you. Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.”
Third, the Western media played along with the tag team and purveyed the story that the protests were principally a response to the policies of an evil government in Tehran, not because of outside interference. Moreover, the protests were peaceful and it was the government that initiated the violence. Naturally, Israel and the US were portrayed as the good guys. This propaganda was not only designed to win over support for the protests in the West, but also to influence events inside Iran by fostering the narrative that the regime was brutal in the extreme, yet the protestors were destined to topple the government.
Fourth, the US military (and maybe the Israeli military) was primed to attack Iran once the protests had reached critical mass, finishing off the regime and creating chaos in Iran that would hopefully break the country apart.
But the strategy failed, mainly because the Iranian government was able to shut down the protests quickly and decisively. A key element in the government’s success was shutting down Starlink, which made it extremely difficult for the protestors to communicate with each other and the outside world. Once that happened, the protests were doomed and both Prime Minister Netanyahu and Trump understood that the tag team could not use military force to deliver the coup de gras. The Iranian regime had survived.
I doubt you’re older than me, not that appeals to authority or seniority are worth a hill of beans.
Ahh, the enlightened centrist once again reminds us that in the midst of a conflict between the largest force for international terrorism / global exploitation and Iran, we should urge both parties to reflect on their actions.
Perhaps after this war Iran can learn to be a better victim, so that we have no reservations about defending them amongst our peers.
Username checks out, but also agreed that some thing need vengeance and retribution
EDIT TO CLARIFY: I meant that Iran is the only country in the middle east with a spine willing to stand against Israel for what they’ve been doing over the past 80 years
To reduce suffering, a large source of it needs to have their international influence reduced.
EDIT: In case it isn’t clear, I mean the Israeli government needs to be fucking dismantled, the billionaires need to be taxed to have their class be nonexistent, and free, non-biased education needs to be the norm.
Lmao middle school philosopher here unironically posting a thought experiment as if it actually applies in the real world. No, the act of murdering everyone would create a near infinite rise in suffering as it progresses. Don’t post infantile takes on things that actually matter to the material world. Save it for your professor.
Wars are by definition conflicts between states, so the parties are obviously US and Israel on side and Iran on the other.
Of course you are free to use the term “war” with whatever made-up meaning best suits your narration (the US have been doing it at least since 9/11), but please respect the people who correctly use the dictionary meaning and don’t put words in their mouth.
Also, you shouldn’t jump to conclusions and accuse anyone of war crimes (or any other crime) unless there is proof. Yes, this also applies to people who have shown not to be above committing or supporting actual genocide.
If you allow yourself to throw around baseless accusations out of spite, then you can’t complain when the MAGA imbeciles do the same (and you are better than they are, or aren’t you?)
Of course if you are able to express those thought in words (and… a thought in the first place), that would also be ok and hopefully contribute to the discussion.
No they just said it in a more fun way. Moreso they told you you are a fascist in practice and deserves to be executed by communist partisans. Can’t say I disagree.
The goal of war is to kill ton of civilians intentionally. Get the hell out of here with the both side is bad in a war of agression started by two terrorists country israel and the united snakes
I thought all the imbeciles would be MAGA supporters but this discussion
You are the maga supporter by supporting this war
It’s not even clear if the genocide in Gaza has the goal of killing people (which is the precise reason why it’s not 100% sure the ICJ will end up ruling it’s a genocide *), and you say that “war” (doesn’t matter if you mean this specific one or war in general) has the goal of massacring people?
ICJ declared the genocide in Bosnia 12 years after it happened. Multiple genocide and holocaust expert agree that it is a genocide. Israeli leaders statements and damage on the ground shows that is a genocide
In all honesty, neither party deserves any good luck.
I’d wish civilians don’t suffer, but that’s the only certain consequence in any war.
You need to understand that the civilians will suffer if Iran can not fight off Israel here.
The Iranian government during the 12 day war focused on military targets, and when they struck targets in other countries in the Middle East they also focused on military targets, and this is why the civilian casualty rate was either nothing or next to nothing (not Iran’s fault Israel stuck their military headquarters in cities to use their people as human shields), Israel struck at least five hospitals in Iran and apartment buildings, the literal only defense of the Iranian people is their government, the literal only body able to render help and protection is their own government
To echo avatar of vengeance, Fuck you
The Iranian government have killed thousands of their own people only in the last few months.
Think before you speak, and read before you think.
To echo the meme (but still not insult you or wish you go fuck yourself), are you fucking kidding me?
Listen to a wise word from someone who is (most probably) older than you (or waste it - I really don’t care much): you don’t have to find out who the least-inhumane party is in any conflict and support that party against the other, because at the end of the day you would still be supporting inhumane people.
PS: you’ll notice I didn’t even reply to the other user - they are clearly beyond salvation but maybe you aren’t
You’re quoting an article written by the people who started this was, which they wrote to drum up support for this war. And the event it’s about is a military attack organised by these same nations.
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Look into Canadian healthcare. It’s free.
Sure, and both parties in the war between America and Afghanistan don’t deserve support and yet only one side lost hundreds of thousands if not a million people
And both parties in the war between America and Iraq don’t deserve support and yet only one side lost hundreds of thousands if not a million people (on top of the million murdered via sanctions)
And both parties in the government overthrow of Libya by America don’t deserve support and yet only one side had their infrastructure bombed, and went from being the most successful country in their continent to a failed state
I’m about forty and have no idea if you’re older than me but clearly age doesn’t guarantee wisdom
Also the people the Iranian government killed were literally armed, there’s literally footage of them shooting people; I have zero faith in the sources claiming those numbers and the Iranian government is 100% justified in taking out violent, armed traitors, which even our own government said had mossad embedded between them
I’ll absolutely talk smack about the Iranian government when their country is safe, like I would with comprador states, but in a time when Iran is fighting for its life I’ll offer critical (only slightly critical) support; even the anti-government Iranians began seeking national unity after Israel literally bombed five hospitals and apartment buildings in the 12 day war; they’re not stupid, they know what their enemies are going to do to them. You AREN’T supporting the Iranian people if you aren’t supporting the ones fighting back and keeping the country safe; if not the Iranian government, who else in Iran is fighting Israel and America?
Go to hell
It’s an imperialist war, of course we want the empire to lose. If Iran loses it will be disastrous, look at what happened to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.
We don’t give a shit about finding blameless victims because this is real life and real people are suffering.
Take your own advice.
John Measheimer, Jan. 20: The Tag Team Fails in Iran
I doubt you’re older than me, not that appeals to authority or seniority are worth a hill of beans.
Ahh, the enlightened centrist once again reminds us that in the midst of a conflict between the largest force for international terrorism / global exploitation and Iran, we should urge both parties to reflect on their actions.
Perhaps after this war Iran can learn to be a better victim, so that we have no reservations about defending them amongst our peers.
I didn’t though? I just said neither deserve any luck.
(IIRC - please do cite where I said what you attribute me or admit your are attacking a straw man)
That may be perhaps your wish - it’s certainly not mine (ie: strawman, again).
If you have actual ideas (and non-fallacious arguments to support them) I’d love to hear them.
This is not a debate, I do not respect you or your opinions.
Iran does deserve luck because they’re fighting demons. That makes them the good guys.
Fuck you
Username checks out, but also agreed that some thing need vengeance and retribution
EDIT TO CLARIFY: I meant that Iran is the only country in the middle east with a spine willing to stand against Israel for what they’ve been doing over the past 80 years
I want to reduce suffering in the universe
To reduce suffering, a large source of it needs to have their international influence reduced.
EDIT: In case it isn’t clear, I mean the Israeli government needs to be fucking dismantled, the billionaires need to be taxed to have their class be nonexistent, and free, non-biased education needs to be the norm.
The optimal solution to that is killing everyone.
Yeah, that’s not what you meant. But the problem here is exactly that you don’t think enough and talk out of your ass.
Lmao middle school philosopher here unironically posting a thought experiment as if it actually applies in the real world. No, the act of murdering everyone would create a near infinite rise in suffering as it progresses. Don’t post infantile takes on things that actually matter to the material world. Save it for your professor.
You just gotta take out the right people, as always. Just one more war bro /s
Nah we should keep tolerating intolerance, that will do the trick
Who hurt you?
Let’s be very clear here:
One party is the USA and Israel raining death on Iran, and the other party is innocent Iranians dying in said rain.
@gomp@lemmy.ml thinks “neither party deserves any good luck.”
Wars are by definition conflicts between states, so the parties are obviously US and Israel on side and Iran on the other.
Of course you are free to use the term “war” with whatever made-up meaning best suits your narration (the US have been doing it at least since 9/11), but please respect the people who correctly use the dictionary meaning and don’t put words in their mouth.
Also, you shouldn’t jump to conclusions and accuse anyone of war crimes (or any other crime) unless there is proof. Yes, this also applies to people who have shown not to be above committing or supporting actual genocide.
If you allow yourself to throw around baseless accusations out of spite, then you can’t complain when the MAGA imbeciles do the same (and you are better than they are, or aren’t you?)
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I can’t see what that is (a tunnel entrance?)
Do you have a higher res picture?
Of course if you are able to express those thought in words (and… a thought in the first place), that would also be ok and hopefully contribute to the discussion.
It’s the Barbara Pit. Look it up.
So… you wanted to say I deserve to be killed but lacked the guts to do so.
Thanks for the explanation anyway.
PS: I reported your comment and I’m blocking you: I don’t think you deserve death, but you most probably deserve a ban :)
Lmao, not gonna happen. This isn’t your liberal safe space.
Cry ab it
Bro, I repeat, death to America, death to Israel, death to Imperialism. If you take offense at any of those, you might want to rethink your values
No they just said it in a more fun way. Moreso they told you you are a fascist in practice and deserves to be executed by communist partisans. Can’t say I disagree.
Eat my entire ass
You in WW2:
“I just want both teams to have fun”
The goal of war is to kill ton of civilians intentionally. Get the hell out of here with the both side is bad in a war of agression started by two terrorists country israel and the united snakes
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They bombed a effing school
https://www.trtworld.com/article/6647f610c6df
You are the maga supporter by supporting this war
ICJ declared the genocide in Bosnia 12 years after it happened. Multiple genocide and holocaust expert agree that it is a genocide. Israeli leaders statements and damage on the ground shows that is a genocide
Does that prove that “the goal of war is to kill ton of civilians intentionally”? How? Please explain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
PS: I’m blocking you - but others will still see your reply so do show them you are right (I am a lost cause anyway, aren’t I?)
What is the strategic value in bombing schoolchildren intentionally? The goal is clearly to inflict harm on children, to bring death to children.
Maybe you wouldn’t be a lost cause if you weren’t supporting the slaughter of children
Gibberish.
Death to America, death to Israel, and death to Imperialism. Painfull deaths