• Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 months ago

    IDK how Western anarchists think anything will be built. Are people supposed to just spontaneously self-organize to build solarpunk high speed rail?

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      5 months ago

      I’m not an anarchist, but a lot of people here are misrepresenting anarchism. Anarchists don’t reject coordination or planning, only hierarchical state control. Large infrastructure would be built by federated councils, unions, and communes, with common plans and technical bodies coordinated by accountable, recallable delegates. Central coordination without a state hierarchy is entirely possible.

      My disagreement with anarchism is different: I think only a state with a strong coercive apparatus can survive sustained imperial pressure and capitalist encirclement.

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        5 months ago

        Central coordination without a state hierarchy is entirely possible.

        Its not a state, its a insert extremely convoluted term that does everything a state does

        These gentlemen think when they have changed the names of things, they have changed the things themselves. That is how these profound thinkers mock the whole world.

        • Engels
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          In fairness, a lot of socialist theory has a distinction between a “state” and a “government”. The former is the repressive apparatus (police, army and ideological state aparatuses) and the latter consists of the civilian administration which deals with centralised organisation of labor/economy. This is why marx could describe a “stateless society” as developed-communism.

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            5 months ago

            Even the non-repressive function of states need hierarchies. All administration needs specialists, managers, organization.

            Think of a hospital, or a large-scale engineering project. There is no conceivable way these could be run without hierarchies and centralized control.