I prefer to reserve the term engineer for people with math and science degrees. If a vibe coder is an engineer then so is a pool boy.
I’ll be honest, I don’t even call myself a software engineer. Programmer is the better way, engineering comes with the baggage of breing able to confirm that your work won’t fall appart in the next X years. You can’t really confirm that in software.
You’d then be shocked by how many students at my university (in engineering btw) who simply take the assignment at hand, put it in chatGPT and submits it.
Is you comment an attempt to undermine the value of a degree?
The students themselves are doing it, it’s not the commenter’s fault.
From the high school and university teachers I’ve talked to, AI is commonly used and it actively undermines their learning.
It’s a pretty new tech so many schools don’t have a solid policy on its use. It’s a mess
No, my intention wasn’t to undermine the value of a degree. I’m saying most people priorities for getting a degree, more specifically an engineering degree, is to just have a pay check. On a more related note, there’s a lot of “engineering majors” that use artificial intelligence to code, who don’t actually enjoy the process of learning at my uni.
So yea, at the rate of adoption and use of generative AI at my school, a pool boy can do what most of the sophomore engineers do.
TLDR “Well no but actually yes”
Using AI for everything rather than learning stops working entirely once you hit upper level courses - I can assure you most people who do this beyond sophomore year will not obtain a degree, especially at any research-oriented institution
What an immature POV. A lot of engineers don’t have a science or math degrees
If you don’t know math then you should not be engineering anything, period.
Not having a degree doesn’t mean they don’t know math.
And not having a degree doesn’t mean they don’t know medicine, either. Is it your opinion that we should deregulate hospitals, too?
Engineers use math and know math. That doesn’t mean they have math degrees. They have engineering degrees. Of which math courses are a part.
Moreover, most people with actual math and science degrees explicitly are not engineers.
They should. An engineering degree is literally a Bachelor of Science.
No, but programming is not engineering.
Yeah, let’s pretend the vibe-coder creates praiseworthy code when everything is working…
No no, it makes sense when you consider the reaction of the praising person when they have to review the PR.
