idk what you’re getting at specifically but I’m not pretending that it’s a perfect work of art with absolutely no flaws. Just that I can enjoy it without being constantly aware of real-world views of the author.
Because JK Rowling puts her real world views in her world. As a kid, I stopped reading the books halfway through and just assumed that the House Elves and SPEW storyline would be resolved by the House Elves being freed. By setting up that would be storyline and leaving it at status quo, Rowling is endorsing race based slavery.
There’s a lot of small story elements that can be brushed off if they stood alone, but together add up and reveal Rowling’s conservative word view. Hagrid is naturally violent, the sorting hat, there’s a whole school house for evil kids and not one of them ever breaks expectations… I could go on if I wasn’t on my phone.
My whole reason for dropping the books halfway through was nothing ever changed. It was frustrating.
Ok, and some people are able to put that aside and enjoy them anyway. If those people are pirating the content she gets no money. If those people are able to say “yeah, that part is bad/shit/wrong” then her shit beliefs aren’t being propagated.
The people who care about this sort of stuff are already aware. The people who don’t aren’t going to be reading articles like this anyway.
This discussion is about whether or not there are ethical ways to consume the content, not about the merits of the content itself, which is the rabbit hole you seem to be stuck in.
We know. We aren’t defending it. We’re just saying that it is possible to get the content in ways that don’t enrich the creator’s bank account, and it is possible to consume it without going “Rowling was right”.
So your priorities are a wizard book for children that you like some of, then below that, in second place, the rights and lives of persecuted minorities.
“to the well trained mind, doing mental gymnastics to ignore harm to minorities is the next great adventure” - Professor Domblewomble, probably.
Yes because sometimes entertainment is just there for entertaining me and finding political plotholes in everything is already tiring enough considering my beliefs.
My personal, individual consumption of the media, which does not enrich the author financially or in the spread of the author’s ideals, has literally no effect on the rights and lives of persecuted minorities.
It’s not an either or situation. These two things do not have some direct inverse relation.
Every time you read a problematic passage about the house elves, ICE stomps on the nuts of another non-white person? Brother they’re doing that regardless of what I do.
I whole heartedly disagree with this seemingly recent concept that consumption of a thing somehow magically proliferates the problematic elements of that thing. It only does that if the consumer proliferates the problematic elements. I’m not going to.
Better not pirate the bible, the quaran, any HP Lovecraft, Edgar Allen Poe, Mark Twain (some horrendous takes about jewish people that no one seems to remember he said). Better tell historians that they need to establish careful rules about how many times anyone studies Mein Kampf.
I don’t have the words to engage with this idea in good faith. Yes, horrible people will use this shit to reinforce their horrible ideas. That doesn’t mean that everyone consuming it has a measurable effect on the proliferation of those horrible ideas, and that proliferation of horrible ideas has a direct connection to horrible actions. There are definitie and obvious connections, but every step is a significant level of abstraction from the one before it.
And for the record, I’m not even going to pirate this series. I am simply that opposed to this batshit concept I see paraded around more and more lately.
Even in this fantasy universe, saying Voldemort’s name didn’t actually give him more power.
You say that as if pirating isn’t a thing.
I wouldn’t even pirate this garbage
That’s a whole different discussion about the “seperate artist and art”-argument, not wether or not I want her to get any money off of it.
For example: EA is a garbage company but I’m a sucker for their open world formula so I have no problem pirating their games.
So about those House Elves. What did Rowling mean by that?
idk what you’re getting at specifically but I’m not pretending that it’s a perfect work of art with absolutely no flaws. Just that I can enjoy it without being constantly aware of real-world views of the author.
Because JK Rowling puts her real world views in her world. As a kid, I stopped reading the books halfway through and just assumed that the House Elves and SPEW storyline would be resolved by the House Elves being freed. By setting up that would be storyline and leaving it at status quo, Rowling is endorsing race based slavery.
There’s a lot of small story elements that can be brushed off if they stood alone, but together add up and reveal Rowling’s conservative word view. Hagrid is naturally violent, the sorting hat, there’s a whole school house for evil kids and not one of them ever breaks expectations… I could go on if I wasn’t on my phone.
My whole reason for dropping the books halfway through was nothing ever changed. It was frustrating.
Ok, and some people are able to put that aside and enjoy them anyway. If those people are pirating the content she gets no money. If those people are able to say “yeah, that part is bad/shit/wrong” then her shit beliefs aren’t being propagated.
The people who care about this sort of stuff are already aware. The people who don’t aren’t going to be reading articles like this anyway.
This discussion is about whether or not there are ethical ways to consume the content, not about the merits of the content itself, which is the rabbit hole you seem to be stuck in.
We know. We aren’t defending it. We’re just saying that it is possible to get the content in ways that don’t enrich the creator’s bank account, and it is possible to consume it without going “Rowling was right”.
nah. There are Harry Potter fans who’s world views are shaped by the franchise. To the extent that they’ll write articles defending the House Elf Slavery. Here’s one example. https://web.archive.org/web/20191002072741/https://www.pottermore.com/features/to-spew-or-not-to-spew-hermione-granger-and-the-pitfalls-of-activism
Those people are already fucked. Me pirating or not pirating has no bearing on their existence and bad takes.
So your priorities are a wizard book for children that you like some of, then below that, in second place, the rights and lives of persecuted minorities.
“to the well trained mind, doing mental gymnastics to ignore harm to minorities is the next great adventure” - Professor Domblewomble, probably.
Yes because sometimes entertainment is just there for entertaining me and finding political plotholes in everything is already tiring enough considering my beliefs.
My personal, individual consumption of the media, which does not enrich the author financially or in the spread of the author’s ideals, has literally no effect on the rights and lives of persecuted minorities.
It’s not an either or situation. These two things do not have some direct inverse relation.
Every time you read a problematic passage about the house elves, ICE stomps on the nuts of another non-white person? Brother they’re doing that regardless of what I do.
I whole heartedly disagree with this seemingly recent concept that consumption of a thing somehow magically proliferates the problematic elements of that thing. It only does that if the consumer proliferates the problematic elements. I’m not going to.
Better not pirate the bible, the quaran, any HP Lovecraft, Edgar Allen Poe, Mark Twain (some horrendous takes about jewish people that no one seems to remember he said). Better tell historians that they need to establish careful rules about how many times anyone studies Mein Kampf.
I don’t have the words to engage with this idea in good faith. Yes, horrible people will use this shit to reinforce their horrible ideas. That doesn’t mean that everyone consuming it has a measurable effect on the proliferation of those horrible ideas, and that proliferation of horrible ideas has a direct connection to horrible actions. There are definitie and obvious connections, but every step is a significant level of abstraction from the one before it.
And for the record, I’m not even going to pirate this series. I am simply that opposed to this batshit concept I see paraded around more and more lately.
Even in this fantasy universe, saying Voldemort’s name didn’t actually give him more power.
Cool.
Now tell me about how pirating Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is ethical consumption.
Oh fuck, better tell every historian that’s ever read Mein Kampf that some guy online thinks they’re all nazis
False comparison. One is a children’s story (which does not mention the issue at hand) and the other is mein Kampf.
Children’s books are different because their intended audience is children! Apples and Oranges!
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Poisoning-young-minds-in-Nazi-Germany%3A-children-and-Corelli/198bafb16c54b40f9fd8e4c043df4327fb57c325
Harry Potter does not mention trans or trans issues once dude. I read them cover to cover.