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    Anarchism is the absence of hierarchy, not organization. The means of the people to use force against violent attempts at theft for personal gain are neither eliminated nor lessened.

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      2 days ago

      So you’re saying that you and sewage treatment plant guy will successfully defend against 5 armed men that ambushed you while you were working?

      Remember: this is not an action film, this is real life we’re talking about.

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        You seem to be consistently misunderstanding me. Did you seriously think what I meant was “me and this sewage guy are gonna singlehandedly fight off 5 armed men”? That’s fucking absurd. What I actually meant was we would obviously have armed guards protecting valuables vulnerable to theft, like any other organized society.

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          1 day ago

          Well. You could’ve said that if you wanted to say that.

          Now it’s not 5 dudes. Your land is valuable and the neighbouring state wants to invade you. How do you stop it?

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              1 day ago

              With what army? How do maintain a military without a hierarchy. Without central commands that everyone must follow

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                I never said that, either. I would say smaller, more specialized units like classrooms, search parties, and militaries benefit from adhering to an authority. It’s just general society that cannot have a deemed authority.

                Let me illustrate the difference via an example: There is a math class. The class obeys the teacher. Why? Because the teacher is known, in some reliable way, to have the knowledge necessary to teach a class on the subject. They derive their authority from that. The students listen to them because they wanted to learn from them.

                So if a math teacher can have authority, derived from possessing the most knowledge about the subject at hand, how does, say, an executive or a legislator or a judge derive their authority? By being the most knowledgeable about… Everything? Just, fucking everything? It should stand to reason, because that’s what they want to have authority over! But it doesn’t, officials are NOT experts on literally everything. That’s the difference.

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                  1 day ago

                  So in your vision of anarchy there are leaders and hierarchies. There is just no central power that orchestrates them all. Ok.

                  Now. What is stopping the leader of the military from saying: “you know what? We’ve got all the weapons, why don’t we subjugate our own population and live rich lives?”. Resulting in a central authority, which would end the anarchy.

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                    24 hours ago

                    As it turns out rule by the people demands that the people are actually smart and kind to work well. You know, like rule by any other force.