I’ve been trying (unsuccessfully) to articulate to people that this conflict isn’t just “Russia bad, Ukraine good” and that Ukraine is riddled with Nazis and is a NATO proxy being supported largely by the US.
I’ve gotten a couple of responses, one of them being “I strongly believe Ukraine is currently the best and strongest military in the world, their advances in weaponry are incredible and they were able to defend themselves properly even now that the US has abandoned them”.
I don’t think this is true at all, I think maybe the West is just arming and funding them to continue the pressure on Russia and also tried to explain what Nazis they are, to which I mostly got “this isn’t relevant”.
I would love more credible, proper, Marxist resources that I could read and counter them more properly next time on these matters, the Prolewiki article is nice, but it isn’t enough to de-brainwash these people and doesn’t provide me with enough language.
That, and “what’s your source for that?” basically kills an in-person conversation, and online it gets a lot of understandable pushback because it’s so often used just to troll.
I think “the U.S. has abandoned them” could be disproven by showing continued U.S. funding, and “the best and strongest military in the world” isn’t what’s relevant – it’s whether their aims are worth supporting.
I’ve had this argument (and similar ones before), however I most of the time get accussed of talking about irrelevant things, which, I honestly don’t know if it’s gaslighting or deflecting or whatever. I guess I shouldn’t assume people view events and things with the same analytical lense.