It may be bloated to you or me, but it’s a general purpose OS that addresses many more requirements out of the box than Linux, by design.
As a business admin this means when you suddenly have a new business requirement for a functionality, you don’t have to go to every machine and install a new service, or even build a test lab to ensure that service will work stably - MS has done this for you.
This has always been the MS paradigm, and Linux started from the opposite paradigm - provide a nominally functional OS and let the end user (think business/environment management) add only what is needed for that specific use-case.
Windows exists because prior “operating systems” were task-specific (see the IBM Mini’s that still exist in some form) which weren’t really useful for a single user.
Linux exists because people (not just Linus) saw the need for a minimal OS for PC architecture that could be built to task - there had already been efforts to port Unix.
Two very different paradigms addressing different requirements.
Build a Linux box that does what Windows does out of the box (with all the testing that MS has done) and it will require more ram too.
(Though the lack of optimization has always been a problem, something people like Minasi and Gibson have long pointed out.)
Nothing you’ve said negates that multi-tasking in Windows has always required more ram than the nominal “run Windows” spec, and it’s generally been 2x the nominal.
And back to bloat - 64bit requires more ram for everything. That was a big leap. And then there’s maintained support for old software - running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS/API. That takes a thunking layer that doesn’t come for free.
Linux and Windows simply work from 2 very different paradigms.
Funny, no one ever complains about the memory requirements for say an AS400… Oh, yea, it can’t do anything that Windows does - that’s not what it was designed for. And really, Linux wasn’t either - you can just build it for that if you want (as the many distros have).
I disagree. Linux 10 years ago maybe but Linux today out of the box is very capable and stable. Windows on the other hand has had its fair share of instability and enshittification. I won’t say Linux is for everyone because I understand the edge cases and some people just like what they already know but it’s never been closer to matching windows and doing so with more privacy, security, and efficiency than windows.
Aside from all of that when I think about the changes from windows 7 to windows 11 the only meaningful thing that stands out is a UI facelift. How did we go from 8gb handling the OS and playing games 10 years ago to saying 16gb is what we need for regular tasks but 32gb is what you really want for gaming on top of GPUs also having twice the ram they used to. I just feel like we are all trying to make excuses for M$ and I’m done with it. Ignoring their BS requirements for TPMs and secure boot which they’ve pushed into the gaming market and allowed gaming companies to have kernel level access to our machines and abandon perfectly good hardware because it doesn’t meet this BS requirement.
It may be bloated to you or me, but it’s a general purpose OS that addresses many more requirements out of the box than Linux, by design.
As a business admin this means when you suddenly have a new business requirement for a functionality, you don’t have to go to every machine and install a new service, or even build a test lab to ensure that service will work stably - MS has done this for you.
This has always been the MS paradigm, and Linux started from the opposite paradigm - provide a nominally functional OS and let the end user (think business/environment management) add only what is needed for that specific use-case.
Windows exists because prior “operating systems” were task-specific (see the IBM Mini’s that still exist in some form) which weren’t really useful for a single user.
Linux exists because people (not just Linus) saw the need for a minimal OS for PC architecture that could be built to task - there had already been efforts to port Unix.
Two very different paradigms addressing different requirements.
Build a Linux box that does what Windows does out of the box (with all the testing that MS has done) and it will require more ram too.
(Though the lack of optimization has always been a problem, something people like Minasi and Gibson have long pointed out.)
Nothing you’ve said negates that multi-tasking in Windows has always required more ram than the nominal “run Windows” spec, and it’s generally been 2x the nominal.
And back to bloat - 64bit requires more ram for everything. That was a big leap. And then there’s maintained support for old software - running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS/API. That takes a thunking layer that doesn’t come for free.
Linux and Windows simply work from 2 very different paradigms.
Funny, no one ever complains about the memory requirements for say an AS400… Oh, yea, it can’t do anything that Windows does - that’s not what it was designed for. And really, Linux wasn’t either - you can just build it for that if you want (as the many distros have).
I disagree. Linux 10 years ago maybe but Linux today out of the box is very capable and stable. Windows on the other hand has had its fair share of instability and enshittification. I won’t say Linux is for everyone because I understand the edge cases and some people just like what they already know but it’s never been closer to matching windows and doing so with more privacy, security, and efficiency than windows.
Aside from all of that when I think about the changes from windows 7 to windows 11 the only meaningful thing that stands out is a UI facelift. How did we go from 8gb handling the OS and playing games 10 years ago to saying 16gb is what we need for regular tasks but 32gb is what you really want for gaming on top of GPUs also having twice the ram they used to. I just feel like we are all trying to make excuses for M$ and I’m done with it. Ignoring their BS requirements for TPMs and secure boot which they’ve pushed into the gaming market and allowed gaming companies to have kernel level access to our machines and abandon perfectly good hardware because it doesn’t meet this BS requirement.