• theolodis@feddit.org
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    13 days ago

    Yeah, while the short and overly sexualizing clothing women wear in the west are of course tools of feminism, as everybody knows.

    And you, most likely a man, dictating what women do or don’t do out of free will is what? Oh wait, it sounds not only inherently patriarchal and misogynistic, but also absolutely western centric and islamophobic.

    Now all you have to do is to tell me that you want to see their beautiful hair, and their nice figure, and we have a bingo.

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      12 days ago

      Yeah, while the short and overly sexualizing clothing women wear in the west are of course tools of feminism, as everybody knows.

      Yeah, people disagreeing with the OP aren’t doing so out of a consistent commitment to feminism, they’re largely doing it out of orientalism.

      Lots of women wear Hijab’s for reasons not overtly enforced by men. Lots of Muslim women don’t wear them. Lots of Muslim women who choose to wear hijabs put an awful lot of effort into styling them in ways that make them feel good. Lots of non-Muslim middle easterners wear them because that’s a part of the world with lots of sand, and getting that shit in your hair sucks.

      Believe it or not, an entire religion and part of the world isn’t as simple as images of ISIS ghouls killing women for not wearing a Niqab.

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      12 days ago

      If the men are also covering their hair (which is true of some middle eastern societies like the Berber people, traditional Qatari clothing, traditional Saudi clothing, etc, and Sikhs), then it’s not specifically ostracizing women in a society. But that is not true of traditional Muslim face coverings for women. And while I agree that there are plenty of sexist practices in Western society meant to hold women in their place, that hardly excuses the sexism practiced in much (not all) of modern Islam. Two things can be wrong.

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        12 days ago

        Yes, of course two things can be wrong, but Muslims in western countries are usually already seen as foreign elements in society, and focusing on their oppression usually leads to even worse oppression (see e.g. France banning the Hijab in official roles, pushing out hijabi Muslims).

        In my honest opinion it would be better to focus on fighting the western oppression of women. I think the liberation of women will happen by itself, given some time and the right conditions. (See Ilhan Abdullahi Omar, who is arguably more emancipated than the average western woman in a traditional relationship)

        As to the question if men cover their hair, if men wear hot pants, if men wear spaghetti tops, I believe this is just a distraction, because I do not believe that feminism means totally equal clothing, but rather equal rights and opportunities.

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      12 days ago

      And you, most likely a man, dictating what women do or don’t do out of free will is what?

      Where did they do that?