As a European, I have to say that the libs in this example are right, because the US voting system is completely fucked with the electoral college, winner-takes-all and all that gerrymandering (and soon more).
So they either have to vote dem (however bad their candidate is) and then unfuck it, so they can do a real election afterwards, or violently install a leftist government and proper democracy.
As a european i have to say that we have plenty of idiots and fascists in power here too. As long as people get their information from biased and corrupted sources they will never know who to vote for in a democracy other than the figures that get advertised the most.
The problem with your logic though is you think it just started one day. We’ve been on this road for a while. Trump doesn’t exist without Bill Clinton’s deregulation spree. Donald Trump wouldn’t nearly be this powerful without Obama’s expansion of the surveillance state. Neoliberals have contributed to what we’re seeing right now and it’s important not to forget that. During the Bush Administration all the neoliberals voted for the Patriot Act which basically created everything that’s killing people in the street right now.
Yeah, except they didn’t use it to kill people. The crime is not buying the car, or sharpening the knife, the crime is driving somewhere and stabbing people.
And they never asked themselves what would happen when it inevitably fell into nefarious hands. Because neoliberals exist to prepare a comfortable environment for fascism to flourish in.
Taking commissions to make knives from people wearing shirts that say “I’m going to stab you as soon as you make me a knife” isn’t a crime. But it’s foolish and gets you stabbed.
Pretty fucking poorly, which is why I’m not crazy about the strategy we’ve been using for the past decades. You understand these events didn’t just happen out of nowhere, right? They’re a result of the things that happened before them.
As long as they don’t drone strike entire weddings in Yemen, as long as they don’t explicitly protect the torturers of Abu Ghraib, as long as they don’t pass a copy of Romneycare but more right wing, as long as they don’t send 40B to a nation actively engaged in ethnic cleansing, as long as they don’t expand upon and set the stage for worsening the border policy that is already draconian, as long as they don’t send care packages to bankers responsible for the economy tanking. When will you moronic liberals get it through your thick fucking skulls that this is not about optics but about policy. Jesus fucking christ
Tried it voted Biden, who didn’t want to leave power even while he was losing it occasionally. Eventually when he did stop running, it was Kamala who thought it would be better to court right.
Yup. The Democratic party leadership is either so inept that they think a strong economy is a replacement for social welfare at home and abroad or they’re actively working to fill the same pockets as the right.
They (dem leadership) cave on these shutdowns because they got their PR and they’re fine being fascist as the alternative would impact their bank account.
I hope I’m wrong this time, i would be so happy to be wrong, but it seems insane to expect the pattern to change under the same leadership.
LOL ‘the leadership’
It’s the whole Dem party, which is one asscheek of the uniparty that is the problem.
You people wil never learn.
Trying to ‘fix’ that party, trying to ‘push it to the left’ or whatever futile thing you undertake while it’s working perfectly the way it’s intended.
This already for centuries and a consistent history of screwing the people and serving their olligarchs.
Yet americans are incapable of thinking outside their box, don’t know better and keep chasing rainbows.
Pathetic and sad.
“Dem leadership” is just accessible language for the libs. Otherwise they assume you didn’t vote and scream at you for being the problem because the only solution is voting dem and anything else is helping the right.
Otherwise they assume you didn’t vote and scream at you for being the problem because the only solution is voting dem and anything else is helping the right.
They assume that about everyone to their left no matter what.
It’s language deliberately chosen to make a distinction between the party and leadership.
With the purpose of sneakily and falsely implying the party can be fixed with different leadership.
It is the same tactics used by Kibbuts Bernie the snake who invariably uses ‘the Netanyahoo government’ and not israel.
Falsely implying that when he’s gone that genocider country will be a normal democracy.
He knows very well they have been mass-murdering Palestinians since the beginning and will continue after him.
Same as the Dems have always screwed their gullible voters and will continue doing so for as long as they exist.
You thought Copmala, with ther horrible record and from the same horrible party would be better?
What are you americans smoking?
Your 2 party system has been ridiculed even by Marx, that’s how long you suckers have been falling for this shit.
Even now they can’t wait to go back to it.
You all deserve what you get.
Nowhere do “politicians” form a more
separate, powerful section of the nation than in North America. There, each of the two great
parties which alternately succeed each other in power is itself in turn controlled by people
who make a business of politics,…
…and nevertheless we find here two
great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and
exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends – and the nation is
powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in
reality exploit and plunder it.
From 1870!, wake TF up and educate yourself americans!
Read more Marx!
They literally didn’t say that. They said Kamala is worse because she tried to “court the right.” What is happening here? Are you all huffing lead paint? Where am I?
Hey thanks for delaying Trump’s second term those four years. I spent those four years helping My partner recover from its crippling disabilities and working on My career. I don’t know if we’re going to be in a financial place to get it out of the US before Trump sends ICE after trans disabled people and puts it in a concentration camp, but because of you we have a chance. Keep up the good work.
As a side note, do you think a GoFundMe to get it out of the country and to My country would get much traction?
Logic would say that’s the thing to do. But our lib party won’t do anything with a win though. In fact the worse a GOP candidate is, the more permission our DNC feels they have to run a dumbass.
As a European, I have to say that the libs in this example are right, because the US voting system is completely fucked with the electoral college, winner-takes-all and all that gerrymandering (and soon more).
So they either have to vote dem (however bad their candidate is) and then unfuck it, so they can do a real election afterwards, or violently install a leftist government and proper democracy.
As a european i have to say that we have plenty of idiots and fascists in power here too. As long as people get their information from biased and corrupted sources they will never know who to vote for in a democracy other than the figures that get advertised the most.
So, that’s been the tactic for a bunch of decades now. How’s that been going for the working class?
For a bunch of decades, they haven’t been executed on the streets in broad daylight. How is it going now?
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The problem with your logic though is you think it just started one day. We’ve been on this road for a while. Trump doesn’t exist without Bill Clinton’s deregulation spree. Donald Trump wouldn’t nearly be this powerful without Obama’s expansion of the surveillance state. Neoliberals have contributed to what we’re seeing right now and it’s important not to forget that. During the Bush Administration all the neoliberals voted for the Patriot Act which basically created everything that’s killing people in the street right now.
Yeah, except they didn’t use it to kill people. The crime is not buying the car, or sharpening the knife, the crime is driving somewhere and stabbing people.
They were absolutely killing people you’re out of mind if you think otherwise.
I correct my statement to “blatantly murdering American citizens in broad daylight”.
Every US president has killed foreigners by the tens of thousands, that’s just old news.
And they never asked themselves what would happen when it inevitably fell into nefarious hands. Because neoliberals exist to prepare a comfortable environment for fascism to flourish in.
Again, making knifes and selling knifes is not a crime. Stabbing people is.
Taking commissions to make knives from people wearing shirts that say “I’m going to stab you as soon as you make me a knife” isn’t a crime. But it’s foolish and gets you stabbed.
Which is why you support anyone who does it.
Those regulations existed for decades, sometimes centuries, and it were lobbied for by Trump or project 2025.
Nobody was wearing that t-shirt.
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Pretty fucking poorly, which is why I’m not crazy about the strategy we’ve been using for the past decades. You understand these events didn’t just happen out of nowhere, right? They’re a result of the things that happened before them.
Yes, electing the 34 criminal traitor pedophile.
Real “if a democrat were doing this we’d be at brunch right now” energy.
As long as they don’t wear a tan suit, right?
As long as they don’t drone strike entire weddings in Yemen, as long as they don’t explicitly protect the torturers of Abu Ghraib, as long as they don’t pass a copy of Romneycare but more right wing, as long as they don’t send 40B to a nation actively engaged in ethnic cleansing, as long as they don’t expand upon and set the stage for worsening the border policy that is already draconian, as long as they don’t send care packages to bankers responsible for the economy tanking. When will you moronic liberals get it through your thick fucking skulls that this is not about optics but about policy. Jesus fucking christ
The problem is the Democrats know this and have no intention to unfuck anything at all
Tried it voted Biden, who didn’t want to leave power even while he was losing it occasionally. Eventually when he did stop running, it was Kamala who thought it would be better to court right.
Yup. The Democratic party
leadershipis either so inept that they think a strong economy is a replacement for social welfare at home and abroad or they’re actively working to fill the same pockets as the right.They (dem
leadership) cave on these shutdowns because they got their PR and they’re fine being fascist as the alternative would impact their bank account.I hope I’m wrong this time, i would be so happy to be wrong, but it seems insane to expect the pattern to change under the same
leadership.Edit: changed my mind on
wording.LOL ‘the leadership’
It’s the whole Dem party, which is one asscheek of the uniparty that is the problem.
You people wil never learn.
Trying to ‘fix’ that party, trying to ‘push it to the left’ or whatever futile thing you undertake while it’s working perfectly the way it’s intended.
This already for centuries and a consistent history of screwing the people and serving their olligarchs.
Yet americans are incapable of thinking outside their box, don’t know better and keep chasing rainbows.
Pathetic and sad.
“Dem leadership” is just accessible language for the libs. Otherwise they assume you didn’t vote and scream at you for being the problem because the only solution is voting dem and anything else is helping the right.
They assume that about everyone to their left no matter what.
It’s language deliberately chosen to make a distinction between the party and leadership.
With the purpose of sneakily and falsely implying the party can be fixed with different leadership.
It is the same tactics used by Kibbuts Bernie the snake who invariably uses ‘the Netanyahoo government’ and not israel.
Falsely implying that when he’s gone that genocider country will be a normal democracy.
He knows very well they have been mass-murdering Palestinians since the beginning and will continue after him.
Same as the Dems have always screwed their gullible voters and will continue doing so for as long as they exist.
Eh fair. You might be right, i might be getting worn down by the trolls. Which i guess is their goal…
You thought Copmala, with ther horrible record and from the same horrible party would be better?
What are you americans smoking?
Your 2 party system has been ridiculed even by Marx, that’s how long you suckers have been falling for this shit.
Even now they can’t wait to go back to it.
You all deserve what you get.
Sauce please.
The Civil War in France - Karl Marx
Nowhere do “politicians” form a more separate, powerful section of the nation than in North America. There, each of the two great parties which alternately succeed each other in power is itself in turn controlled by people who make a business of politics,…
…and nevertheless we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends – and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality exploit and plunder it.
From 1870!, wake TF up and educate yourself americans!
Read more Marx!
Hate to be that guy, but those were two entirely different parties.
But we still have a two party system and the critique is still accurate.
the asshole is wrong
You hate to be that petty guy scavenging through my comments and following me around for a chance to put in a negative comment?
Right, fuck off
And no they weren’t
I guess I should tag you so I notice, but I literally didn’t even read your user name.
I just reply to what I feel like replying to. I guess this is a small site. I have never once looked at your comment history.
I don’t even think about you bro. I promise you.
Sure, that’s why you harrass me with BS on 3 different subjects in 2 days.
Piss off.
They literally didn’t say that. They said Kamala is worse because she tried to “court the right.” What is happening here? Are you all huffing lead paint? Where am I?
Hey thanks for delaying Trump’s second term those four years. I spent those four years helping My partner recover from its crippling disabilities and working on My career. I don’t know if we’re going to be in a financial place to get it out of the US before Trump sends ICE after trans disabled people and puts it in a concentration camp, but because of you we have a chance. Keep up the good work.
As a side note, do you think a GoFundMe to get it out of the country and to My country would get much traction?
Oh wow, you voted TWICE and it didn’t fix everything???
Definition of foolishness song the same thing and expecting different outcomes.
Logic would say that’s the thing to do. But our lib party won’t do anything with a win though. In fact the worse a GOP candidate is, the more permission our DNC feels they have to run a dumbass.