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I had to check what you meant because I thought EU turned off the faucet. Well, this is where it gets interesting. Apparently the faucet was turned off as per EU laws and then in December 2023 the EU commission unfroze the funds which amounted to 10 billion euros. But then in April 2024 the EU parliament filed a suit that the commission had wrongly applied the rule of law when unfreezing the funds. A few days ago, prior to the summit, a top advisor of the EU court of Justice said that the EU commission should demand that 10 billion back.

Would be interesting to know if Orban was making his comments before or after hearing this.

I do agree with that, but if you also agree with that then I have no idea why you commented in the first place. You should understand where the other person was coming from because the art style, while similar, is not the same as Minecraft. And since that person was talking about specifically in the context of a DMCA claim he is right that there is literally nothing in that claim that has any grounds (which is why MS withdrew it pretty fast) because if you get into the details nothing shown looks exactly like Minecraft. It looks similar to Minecraft but is still distinct from it.

Even in that image that looks exactly like Minecraft if you get into the details:

• The birch texture is actually different
• The birch model is actually thinner than the Minecraft equivalent
• The pumpkin texture is so different you can clearly see the difference in the image
• The pumpkin model is actually smaller than the Minecraft equivalent
• The “grass” length is different, Minecraft is 1-4 pixels with very jagged jumps while Allumeria is 2-5 pixels with a very consistent 3 pixel length.
• The oak texture is different, the oak model is different
• There’s red leaves which I don’t believe Minecraft has
• The leaf texture is completely different
• The clouds are different (multiple colors and flat compared to a single color and the latest version of Minecraft are not flat)
• And of course then there are the things that are not in Minecraft but that’s beyond what is relevant for DMCA

It’s simply a coincidence that the singular image in broad strokes ends up looking like Minecraft. If you understand that I really do not understand why you commented in the first place. Just to make an argument that at a glance that single image looks like Minecraft?

You do realize every specific similarity you brought up also applies to Hytale and Vintage story (except for the pumpkin part because in Vintage story they don’t grow in the wild). Could it be that there’s a completely different reason those similarities exists?

Perhaps grass texture with the side showing dirt just looks visually more appealing than an entirely grassy block? Pretty much every minecraft-like game does this. Even Terraria does the same thing in a 2D space.

As for pumpkins and trees. Pumpkins in the real world also grow in groups. If we consider the fact that the pumpkin has to be a cube there’s nothing specific about it growing in the forest in clumps, that’s just imitating the real world. Similar thing with trees. Most trees also grow from a single trunk that’s sprawls wide at the top. That’s just how trees are.

And what even is “minecraft-like” terrain generation? I’m pretty sure Minecraft has gone through at least 3 different variations of world generation. The latest version of Minecraft world gen looks nothing like what is generated in Allumeria, or perhaps it would be more accurate to say the opposite because Minecraft latest world gen is very refined and Allumeria simply doesn’t have that level of refinement in its world gen. Allumeria world gen is closer to the alpha/beta version of Minecraft world gen.

What I’m getting at is that the specifics in that single image can be what make it look like it’s Minecraft, but there’s a reasonable explanation for all of those things and any resemblance ends up coincidental. It looking like Minecraft is just as coincidental as my picture looking like KCD.

Well that’s pretty much my point. None come to mind because it could be any game with a “realistic” forest. The same way you could take a forest photo in a random block style game and it could come out looking like Minecraft. One nature image from one game looking like a nature image from a different game doesn’t mean anything.

Well you can go and see for yourself, the game is back on Steam and they have a demo. Don’t judge it based on the first hour or two where you’re collecting copper and iron (though you can probably just skip grinding materials if you just want see what the game is about). Judge it when you’ve found forest keys and tried the forest dungeon because that 100% feels like something Terraria would have.

Oh you’re still going, nobody else to pay attention to you? Poor you. Got a little butthurt that you needed to downvote me? Maybe learn something about hypotheticals, I’m never setting up bots because that was a hypothetical scenario and it’s not like you deserve that much attention. Now run along, I’m turning off notifications because you clearly need the attention and I’m done.

You’re right. I got worked up over an insignificant being who has nothing better to do with their life than to annoy others. My bad. I’ll let you annoy someone else now because you clearly have nothing better to do.

Imagine having nothing worthwhile to say so you resort to personal insults.

Oh don’t think of yourself that highly. I’d just set up a bot.

Maybe you don’t but if for the next month add a comment calling you one to every comment you make would you still not care? After all I’m just letting other people know of my opinion.

So you have no problem if I think you’re a kiddie diddler? After all that’s just my opinion man.

Because when their opinion can’t handle the criticism it has to be false. Now either say something relevant or fuck off, I’m done being nice to you.

Actually I think it’s the people who present their ill informed opinion that others listen to. If they never made their poor opinion those “sheep” wouldn’t get the wrong opinion.

Now you’re making even less sense. Who are the sheep?

How about you tell me.

Just because people say stupid shit doesn’t mean we should ignore it. I personally know people who ignored Terraria specifically because of that stupid comparison. Some of those people ended up enjoying Terraria after giving it a chance. I think such stupid arguments deserve pushback because they just end up hurting the game they’re about.

I didn’t say Biden himself should’ve released the files but fair enough, I shouldn’t have singled him out. However the link pretty much says what I meant, Biden’s administration took procedure over public interest and that procedure had no interest in getting the files released.

There’s a difference between saying something is inspired by X vs saying something is copying X.

OpenTTD is a great example because it has its own selection of art assets that look like the original, but aren’t copying the original art. The open art assets are inspired by the original. But OpenTTD doesn’t come with the original assets nor can it make exact copies of the original assets because that would be copying the original.

I’m not against being inspired by something, Allumeria dev has been pretty open that the game is inspired by Minecraft. But the people I’ve been arguing with here have the opinion (at least it seems to be that way) that Allumeria is copying Minecraft. It is a bad precedent to say Allumeria is copying Minecraft (not just for Allumeria but a lot of Minecraft “clones” because the blocky style limits quite a lot of what you can artistically do) and it would be a bad precedent to say openTTD assets were copying original TTD assets, because that could be grounds for copyright which could lead to openTTD assets having to be scrapped.

Because it sets a really bad precedent. It’s the equivalent of looking at an eastern-european forest in a game and being “that game is ripping off the Witcher 3”. No, that’s just how forests look like in the real world. And that’s just how scenery looks in a block game. Are block games not supposed to have forests and caves in their games because Minecraft popularized them first?

Not to defend Trump but Biden sat on those files for most of his presidency and did nothing with them. This isn’t just a convicted felon not giving a shit about justice for the crimes he himself is tied to, this is both sides of the political aisle giving the wealthy a free pass on their absolutely depravity.