• Lemminary@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Why would I want to “kill America” when my friends and family live there? I only want the Trump administration out and to pay for their crimes.

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      1 month ago

      The horrors of American imperialism did not begin with Trump. We killed 20% of North Koreans during the Korean war. Can you imagine 1 in 5 people you know being murdered? All while the other 4/5 starve? Our war planes would come back from missions without dropping a single bomb because there was nothing left to hit. The North Koreans lived underground for years, they built schools and hospitals underground because nothing above ground would last. This is standard procedure. We are doing this in Gaza right now and have done this for centuries. You only care about Trump because he affects you personally and it disgusts me. Amerikkka does not deserve to exist. Its history is one of endless holocausts and the world will rejoice when it finally meets its end.

      Read Endless Holocausts by David Michael Smith and An Indigenous Peoples History of the United States by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz

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        Sure, America has been a pretty shitass state for a while. But when you say it shouldn’t exist, do you mean that it’s state and power structures should be completely demolished and reworked, with the general population and working class minimally harmed, or should it’s people also be removed? Because former is really fucking hard, but would be really good, and the latter is just bad.

        The problem people have with ‘death to amerikkka’ is that they value the people of America, and it’s culture. (Though there is something to be said for the culture being imperialist as well.) The mechanics of how the American empire could actually fall are pretty damn messy.

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          Sure, America has been a pretty shitass state for a while.

          More or less its entire existence, unfortunately.

          Comrade Sharkfucker stated clearly that America (the name of the state) does not deserve to exist. In my opinion there aren’t grounds in their comment to infer genocidal intent as (I think, I may be wrong) you are in your reply.

          The problem people have with ‘death to amerikkka’ is that they value the people of America, and it’s culture. (Though there is something to be said for the culture being imperialist as well.) The mechanics of how the American empire could actually fall are pretty damn messy.

          The Ayatollah Khamenei (IIRC) already had to explain on TV to Americans that “Death to America” refers to the American state and not its people. You’re correct that the end of America could be messy but, not to sound rude or argumentative, that is the problem of the American people and not the victims of America. If America is going to fall in a less messy manner rather than “the hard way”, so to speak, then likely the people of America will need to take action and carry out a revolution to bring that about before the collapse is forced onto them by circumstance.

          Sadly, in my opinion, a lot of the upset people feel in response to seeing “death to america” comes from a sort of fragility and self-centeredness of those who aren’t affected by America’s actions abroad and therefore aren’t bothered by them, or who in some cases are perhaps not aware of them in great detail or don’t understand the true scope and consequences of the American empire. As an analogy (not a perfect one), people being upset about “death to america” strikes me as a similar power dynamic as those upset about “anti-white racism”, but in the latter example we all (I hope) know better.